Phishalot Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 I have spent the last two days reading and playing Norm's shoes and some of my old shoes also.Thought I had everything down pat, then I ran into this shoe I Had played at Harrah's a couple years ago.I have been picking my method when I see a 3 indicating that method. IE: +3 for S40, -3 for F and crossing over o three times before one of the other two have reached 3.Here is the shoe.B2112444161111Hope I did that right.Anyway, on play 7 the shoe had crossed 0 for the third time, so I picked OTB4L to play. It is every apparent that the Worm had turned as soon as I jumped in.My questions are:Did I jump in to soon?Is there something I should be watching to know when to switch during the shoe?Thanks for any helpBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belatico Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Hi bob, what mode did you come in with your otb4l?What pa did you wind up with? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishalot Posted May 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 lost 7mode 2playing base NOR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belatico Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Ellis is this what is called a mixed shoe?Bob when you got in it seemed like an otb4l but by the time that first run was over the or count was-3 and it basically climbed from there. This seems like this was an for shoe based on the or count. Let's see what Ellis says. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishalot Posted May 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Spent yesterday running 10 real shoes I had cards for.The 10 shoes went like this.shoe method played1) loss -6 OTB4L (this is the shoe that I started the thread with)2) loss -8 S403) win +10 OTB4L4) win +10 OTB4L5) win +11 S406) win +9 F7) win +6 F8) win +9 S409) win +10 F10)win+9 S40Is this what would be expected. I have always won 6 out of 10 before for +15 to +20 for the 10 shoes.If this is a normal win on 10 shoes. NOR really is the best method in the world.Thanks EllisBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modnar Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Hi, you say you are new to the forum, but it shows that you join date back to March 2010. Is that means you were on the public forum since then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishalot Posted May 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Yep, had been public since 2010 checked in maybe twice a year.Choose to go with Benson, opps there went a couple grand.Just bought NOR and received access to the rest of the forum.All my testing so far has given results way above my expectations.Hoping to make the seminar next Saturday. Just make sure I am doing this right, then I will begin play with real money.Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 B2112444161111Don't you guys ever play easy shoes? OTB4L, NOR's base system played M3 all the way since the OR count starts +, gets to +7 then back to +6 where most would quit.However, it's pretty hard not to note by play 15 that we have a runs following runs situation and we should therefore switch to S40M1. If we do that at play 16 we have a very easy +14 W/O any more 3 bets.S40 M3 we go OTR after 3 losing bets.S40 M2 we go OTR after 2 losing betsS40 M1 we go OTR after 1 losing betM1 likes streak straight or ZZ and it particularly likes runs following runs ST or ZZ.Any questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishalot Posted May 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Thanks Ellis.I had read somewhere that we should avoid changing methods during a shoe.What in the OR count would indicate that a change should be made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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