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Hi Ellis,

would just like to know your experience or how you maintain level of play, been playing NOR and somehow had my share of investment in learning how to have success with it, recently I have been using BAS40, S40M1 and BASOTB4L which I think does work as I actually had better success with it than NOR

My question is how do you keep the winning streak? for three cycles already within the past months I would have two to three weeks of straight winning only to lose everything even more on a bad week. I do ask myself what happened or was there any change on how I played or did I became confident and relaxed on my shoe selection thus I lose everything? after some analysis and collecting myself again I will go back playing and will recover the money lost and then lose everything again, finding it really difficult to sustain that winning mode.

If only I can keep the winning streak, I would have made good money already. Is there any secret to it? Hope you can help, thanks.

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Kingoface

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Hi Ellis,

would just like to know your experience or how you maintain level of play, been playing NOR and somehow had my share of investment in learning how to have success with it, recently I have been using BAS40, S40M1 and BASOTB4L which I think does work as I actually had better success with it than NOR

My question is how do you keep the winning streak? for three cycles already within the past months I would have two to three weeks of straight winning only to lose everything even more on a bad week. I do ask myself what happened or was there any change on how I played or did I became confident and relaxed on my shoe selection thus I lose everything? after some analysis and collecting myself again I will go back playing and will recover the money lost and then lose everything again, finding it really difficult to sustain that winning mode.

If only I can keep the winning streak, I would have made good money already. Is there any secret to it? Hope you can help, thanks.

Best,

Kingoface

Hey, King-

Been playing for 20 years and would be embarrassed to tell you how many times I USED TO " fall into that trap"

You are not alone, virtually everyone experiences this phenomena!

Regular cards, Preshuffled cards, 6decks,8decks, daytime, nighttime...

What finally " fixed" this problem for me was a simple, very effective version of the "Stop-Loss" concept.

1) DO NOT under any circumstances bring more $$ to the casino than you would be unhappy if you lost it all

2) Whatever amount you bring, make sure you divide your total session bankroll by the number of shoes you think you might play ( Example: Say you have a bankroll of $1,000 and you think you might play 5 shoes..$1,000 divided by 5 = $200)

This rule alone will force you to " get out" of a bad shoe when you just can't win

3) Always leave your ATM card at home...it's simply too tempting, too risky

Finally, ALWAYS have a reasonable STOP-WIN objective relative to the size of your shoe bankroll...sure, if things go well you can forge forward for a higher unit win, but make sure you don't give back your winnings!

All of this seems like common sense, and I do not mean to trivialize your misfortune. But, plain and simple, the two toughest things in a casino are

Quitting when you are winning , and Quitting when you are losing...Once you impose upon yourself the discipline necessary, you will stop making the mistake you refer to in your post...

Good Luck!

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Hey, King-

Been playing for 20 years and would be embarrassed to tell you how many times I USED TO " fall into that trap"

You are not alone, virtually everyone experiences this phenomena!

Regular cards, Preshuffled cards, 6decks,8decks, daytime, nighttime...

What finally " fixed" this problem for me was a simple, very effective version of the "Stop-Loss" concept.

1) DO NOT under any circumstances bring more $$ to the casino than you would be unhappy if you lost it all

2) Whatever amount you bring, make sure you divide your total session bankroll by the number of shoes you think you might play ( Example: Say you have a bankroll of $1,000 and you think you might play 5 shoes..$1,000 divided by 5 = $200)

This rule alone will force you to " get out" of a bad shoe when you just can't win

3) Always leave your ATM card at home...it's simply too tempting, too risky

Finally, ALWAYS have a reasonable STOP-WIN objective relative to the size of your shoe bankroll...sure, if things go well you can forge forward for a higher unit win, but make sure you don't give back your winnings!

All of this seems like common sense, and I do not mean to trivialize your misfortune. But, plain and simple, the two toughest things in a casino are

Quitting when you are winning , and Quitting when you are losing...Once you impose upon yourself the discipline necessary, you will stop making the mistake you refer to in your post...

Good Luck!

Your advice is already worth half a million dollar of the whole MDB program. Winning at the casino is a matter of money management and self discipline. The rest of winning skill is just a matter of luck and playing with a system (and a better system like MDB+ or NOR) better than no system.

True honest advice....

Best of Luck to all BTC members and mature audience.

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Your advice is already worth half a million dollar of the whole MDB program. Winning at the casino is a matter of money management and self discipline. The rest of winning skill is just a matter of luck and playing with a system (and a better system like MDB+ or NOR) better than no system.

True honest advice....

Best of Luck to all BTC members and mature audience.

King + No3-

Went out to Gold Coast, Rio and Red Rock today, just to "see" I was not fooling anybody...make sure I still ''practice what I preach"

1) GC---14 tables...I chose one which had not yet opened ( new shoe)

my starting bankroll for the shoe was $600...I had plenty of Large in my pocket, but chose only $6oo as my BR for this shoe...wrote on my card $200 SL/$300 SW...got to + $350 and left the table...on way out, I played one $100 TWIST bet( lots of discussion on this my earlier posts) , and won...up $450

2) RIO ( across the street from Gold Coast)...3 tables open...all in progress...picked the one closest to resembling MDB ...same stop win, same stop loss as GC...LOST 4 IAR!!!! ( not even playing every hand...Yikes!) Took my $100 loss, tail between my legs, and drove out to Red Rock Casino in Summerlin, NV...now just up $350, I know I was still operating on the casino's 'dime" but the whole thing just did not "feel right" ,so decided to venture out to Red Rock Casino ( and close to my apartment )

3) Red Rock....went to HiLimits room, only one table, $50 minimum/$5,000 max...my shoe bankroll was only $900, as I swore no matter what I would "quit" at SL $600, and still "profit" $50 for the afternoon...SW I set at $1,200.

Asked for a new shoe, and got it ( only person playing)

Got "down to $750, then up to $900, then down to $800, then up to $1400, then down to $1200 ( my SW)...then MDB 1,1,1,1,2,1,2,1,1,1 kicked in and I finished/ got out of shoe +$700

Nor/4D/MDB/SAP was rocking ( 7-3's, 2-4's, 2-5's) ... shows the "value of "system selection" ( not just shoe selection), and up $1,100 for the day after all commission, all dealer tips, all cocktail waitress tips, etc.

Look, you cannot expect to have all of the "tricks of the trade" at your disposal, not when you have been playing just a few years...

Hey, Ellis or some other player might have made twice as much, or had a higher player advantage win %, maybe another player the same amount, but ( pay attention here)....most would have likely lost all/most of his/her money...total of over 130 hands...likely I played 100 of them...

Its a 50/50 game overall. but study hard, apply yourself, practice and believe in yourself and you WILL GET THERE! (sounds like your "paying" job, huh? well, it is!)

And you best treat it as same...It's one thing to make a bad decision or two, but you still get paid on Friday...Once you settle in with this, mistakes not only eliminate that Friday paycheck, but you have to pay the casino!

( a double-whammy)

Good luck to you both...

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Kevin,

Sounds like you had a good payday ! Good for you !

You mention playing / using...Nor/4D/MDB/SAP..........but no mention of using TWIST ?

Back in February , you say the Twist will make you more money than thought possible ! No mention of using it, along with the other 4 used ?

Thanks.

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Johny-

Reminder:

I treat The Twist as an opportunistic bet, and did not want to " muddy the waters " with trying to make a point about Stop Loss, Stop Win and Bankroll Management...

YES, I play it all the time, and it makes me a ton of dough!

( Also, re- read the post and the part about playing at the Gold Coast...The Twist Capital of Las Vegas!!)

Hope you are doing well at Sandia...

Regards,

Kevin

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Johny-

Reminder:

I treat The Twist as an opportunistic bet, and did not want to " muddy the waters " with trying to make a point about Stop Loss, Stop Win and Bankroll Management...

YES, I play it all the time, and it makes me a ton of dough!

( Also, re- read the post and the part about playing at the Gold Coast...The Twist Capital of Las Vegas!!)

Hope you are doing well at Sandia...

Regards,

Kevin

You guys were great joining BTC earlier. I could have never found those links or information about TWIST after I joined - a big complaint to Keith as I always wonder what is it all about of which I once tried to search the entire website for its rules and discussions. Grandfather discussions at BTC of any kind should never be removed or deleted. They are always the "pot of gold" we have been looking or since CCWR time.

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Hi Kevin,

Thank you for your inputs, I know you would understand me if I say they are easy to follow but hard to do especially when you are in the casino. But with my experience and would say I learned it the hard way, and such are indeed rookie mistake which I would bang my head for doing.

I agree on what you prescribed, and should follow it with maturity and discipline.

Best,

Kingoface

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You guys were great joining BTC earlier. I could have never found those links or information about TWIST after I joined - a big complaint to Keith as I always wonder what is it all about of which I once tried to search the entire website for its rules and discussions. Grandfather discussions at BTC of any kind should never be removed or deleted. They are always the "pot of gold" we have been looking or since CCWR time.

No3bet

Under my name, and FindLatestStartedThreads, ThE TWIST info is in a thread entitled " Chubby Checker...Perhaps it was Ellis after all"

There's also several from about 4 years ago when I first joined the forum called " A horse with no name" and

" 1 is the loneliest number"

amazing it took me several years to remember what I had been talking about years earlier...

In both cases, you'll have to read through the threads to pick up on Ellis' advice...always best to start at beginning of thread

FYI, if you are looking for anything that a member may have written about, I find this to be a very useful approach...

Good luck and call me if any questions

Kevin

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Right, and we also need to thank Kevin for his tip on net betting against preshuffled cards. Preshuffled cards, being closer to random, open the door for some big net betting shoes.

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