DeanJ Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 #1) B3,3,3,2,9,2,4,3,3,1,1,3,1,2#2) started hand #46 SAP COUNT WAS 16-1's, 1-2, 2-3's, 1-4's, 1-5 or More. P3,1,7,8,2,1,1,2,1,2#3) started hand #25 SAP COUNT WAS 4-1's, 4-2, 1-3's, 0-4's, 1-5 or More P1,1,1,1,1,2,2,1,2,2,1,3,4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterP Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Hi DeanJ,Looks like you use SAP also. How are you finding it? I also play in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanJ Posted May 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 SAP Is the key and I also noticed that and using an "OR" count tells me that playing OTB4L M2 would beat all three of those shoes I posted.What part of Canada are you in? I am in Vancouver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterP Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I agree that SAP is the key. I have been using it to predict the type of shoe that is at hand and then playing the system to best fit it. I have also tried some other variations of the SAP to see how to use it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanJ Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Really , care to share? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterP Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 SAP is a running count of events weighted based on frequency in a regular shoe. I've seen that when the two to three counts are equal and the other two counts equalize that is not a NOR shoe, but an MDB+ shoe. But, if one or two of the counts are a lot higher than the other 2 or 3 counts then it favors a NOR shoe, which is basic.Typically, I play S40 by default when using SAP as it is the most forgiving system once you know the mode. The mode typically will be decided by the SAP count for the 3's and 4's. If 3's outnumber the 4's, 3 to 1 , then Mode 3 is used. If the 4's then mode 2. Now the shoes with the variations on these such as 3's and 4's being both high, typically are more difficult to play. This is where the 1's , 2's and 5+'s come into play.If your count for 2's are the lowest then in a shoe with a lot of 3's and 4's default to TB4L. Now, comes the hardest shoe type, I think. Having SAP counts where there are 2's, 3's and 4's. This is telling us that the best system should be OTB4L mode 3, but there are times were the ZZ come and then it can hurt you.Hope this helps out. Let me know if you've seen this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanJ Posted May 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Yes it does help thanks..,I personally know how to play OTB4LM2 very well and even when the shoe shifts either to a Streak or a Jump I still win overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Smith Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 test ellis notifications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted May 21, 2015 Users Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 My favourite system is also OTBL at the moment too.Its harder to play as you have to try and get the right mode for both Straights and ZZ but it seems to plow through most things and when 2's and 3's are high or average it kicks assCan beat 1's, 2's, 3's, and 4's without too much trouble the only thing that screws you is the long ZZ's and straights. If you look to go OTR for the few long streaks or ZZ's then you can kick ass +20 to +40 is not that hard.Suppose it depends what your casino is doing - mine puts their cards through a shuffler and they always seem to come out OTBL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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