Critical Question - Cutting the Deck

[Pando]

Hi Ellis

I have a question about cutting the deck, and the effect that the cut will

have on the shoe.

I am very surprised that nobody has talked about this before.

We often see the shoe change abruptly during the shoe and I wonder how

much this is related to (or caused by) the deck being cut.

So I did an experiment yesterday. I sat at the table to the right of the dealer

and had the option to cut the deck. I did so, almost smack bang in the middle of the

cards. I went further back in the shoe about 15 cards which is the common number

of cards the dealer cuts from the front of the shoe.

So in theory, the first half of the deck as they were dealt should be untouched and

should be as they came from the factory (Angel pre-shuffled cards).

As the shoe played out the character of the shoe changed half way through, just where

I made the cut.

So my question really is, what effect does cutting the deck make. Does one card either

way make a difference to the subsequent hands. I think these are vital issues.

I hope you can give some insight into this

Thanks in advance

best regards

Pando

[TrainerGriff]

Very interesting question!

[Pando]

Yep, hoping Ellis or any other players will have some thoughts

regards

Pando

[Guest]

Very interesting question!

Yes it is! And Good Thinking Pando - as usual.

We know that when playing with factory cards we are playing designed card orders.

Card orders the casiono knows from experience are usually highly casino favorable.

Some casinos first run facory cards through their shuffle machine which makes no sense to me.

Except that we KNOW from dealers that machines have the capability of returning the cards back to the same order.

Some casinos get away with not even offering a cut with factory cards - which SHOULD be illegal.

But think about the cut in a deaigner shoe. Yes, Pando is right - it can cause an abrupt change in the shoe.

But, no matter where the cards are cut, eventually the cards are going to work their way right back to

the prescribed (designed) game.

BTW, Pando, what rules are you using for MDB+ these days where you are playing?

Are you still playing the origional rules? Are you finding that lengthening the delays helps or hurts?

Edited June 14, 2015 by Ellis

[Pando]

Thanks for this Ellis

So you are saying that no matter where the cut is, the cards will revert to

the shoe character the casino designed. Wow.

I am playing in Auckland, New Zealand. Touch Baccarat.

The Angel pre-shuffled cards are still being used, but have seem to moved

somewhat from mostly MDB+ friendly to occasionally MDB+ friendly.

In recent weeks I have been playing NOR much more than I used to.

Yesterday there were a lot of long runs in the shoes, 5's, 6's 7's.

These are easy to play but not with MDB+ of course.

The MDB+ shoes are straight forward, and I use the original rules. I have not

needed to use an extended delay of the trigger. (If I see shoes shaping up like

that I prefer to find another table).

I very seldom even get to the 3rd step in the progression so

effectively I am flat betting or using a 1,2 progression most

of the time. That feels real good.

regards

Pando

Yes it is! And Good Thinking Pando - as usual.

We know that when playing with factory cards we are playing designed card orders.

Card orders the casiono knows from experience are usually highly casino favorable.

Some casinos first run facory cards through their shuffle machine which makes no sense to me.

Except that we KNOW from dealers that machines have the capability of returning the cards back to the same order.

Some casinos get away with not even offering a cut with factory cards - which SHOULD be illegal.

But think about the cut in a deaigner shoe. Yes, Pando is right - it can cause an abrupt change in the shoe.

But, no matter where the cards are cut, eventually the cards are going to work their way right back to

the prescribed (designed) game.

BTW, Pando, what rules are you using for MDB+ these days where you are playing?

Are you still playing the origional rules? Are you finding that lengthening the delays helps or hurts?