Users ECD Posted August 25, 2017 Users Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 on "The Forum That Cannot Be Named"... ParticipantWell , from following the example on page One .I have to ask . Just what system are you starting this shoe with ? And maybee a better break-down of the first 20 plays would help many members . Me included . I can understand the +o and -o concept . But what system are you switching to and when .. I took a long hard look at this and got dizzy trying to follow it . I'm sure its something that i'm just overlooking ... Pretty much...You are overlooking the fact that all of Ellis's mechanical systems rely on a Negative Progression which will inevitably fail...It's not a matter of "IF" only a matter of "WHEN"...(and how much you lose) Participant What has happen to Baccarat I thought the O/R system beats everything and now we found out it does not so lets get some information on either O/R or ANB that is why I got on the board and I thought everyone else...YEP...I'd be pissed off too if I'd forked out $1000 to the Greatest mind in the history of Baccarat and another system 40 years in the making goes down the gurgler with it's designer nowhere to be found. At least here there is no BS...No false promises from snake oil salesmen...No ridiculous charges for systems that do not work...NO NEGATIVE PROGRESSIONS...just the knowledge that you are joining a group of people that are already winning at the casino and will assist you to do the same...(and no Carlos sniffing around your undies) Training videos from proven winners...Kevin and w2f... Did I mention "Stats For Profit"?...undoubtedly the best Baccarat Practice tool on the net with many, many thousands of real shoes uploaded from real casinos on an interactive Toteboard that displays one hand at a time at whatever speed you choose...You can't ask for better than that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Smith Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 HEy what about the really nice owner and stuff!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted August 26, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 4 hours ago, Keith Smith said: HEy what about the really nice owner and stuff!!! If I start commenting on the owner, it looks like I'm trying to flog memberships to BTC and may have a pecuniary interest in BTC which I certainly do not. I'm just an ordinary guy who makes his living playing Baccarat and recognise that it wasn't that long ago when I knew literally "sweet stuff all" about Baccarat and if not for the tools available on BTC and assistance from some of the members, I would still be among the ranks of the 99% of losers. I'm grateful to BTC and it's members which is why I promote the site. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnycs1 Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 THAN I WILL COMMENT ON KEITH...MET HIM FEW TIMES IN VEGAS AT ELLIS SEMINARS... NICE GUY !! GOOD PEOPLE !! johnny/albuquerque ps.......oh by the way , I just joined the Private Forum lotsa good info on Members Only Forum ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Smith Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 On 8/25/2017 at 3:57 PM, ozscouser1 said: on "The Forum That Cannot Be Named"... ParticipantWell , from following the example on page One .I have to ask . Just what system are you starting this shoe with ? And maybee a better break-down of the first 20 plays would help many members . Me included . I can understand the +o and -o concept . But what system are you switching to and when .. I took a long hard look at this and got dizzy trying to follow it . I'm sure its something that i'm just overlooking ... Pretty much...You are overlooking the fact that all of Ellis's mechanical systems rely on a Negative Progression which will inevitably fail...It's not a matter of "IF" only a matter of "WHEN"...(and how much you lose) You know I have to be honest I spoke to his son before he died and he said to me the demise of his Father has been Baccarat System, thinking he could find and invent the Holy Grail. He actually believes it. But years before that I always appreciated what he wrote about Blackjack and always hoped he would find his way back to it. I started this as a list server called info@winningways.com and warned him about letting his ego get the best of him, this was in 1995. Sadly he is unable to take the advice of anyone and proved it yet again with this post Well, I was considered best BJ player in the world by many casino chains and I held the record for being barred from BJ by the most casinos. So sure, I can add a few things: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted August 27, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 I'm starting to feel sorry for those guys on CFC...They forked out all that money and the promises made to them have proven false and they are sounding very much like they have just come to the realisation that they have been "scammed" Don't feel bad fellas...He caught a lot of us (me included)...The good news is that you can join up here for next to nothing and with hard work, you can really be a winner. August 24, 2017 at 10:46 am#5084 Participant What has happen to Baccarat I thought the O/R system beats everything and now we out it does not work so lets get some information on either O/R or ANB that is why I got on the board and I thought everyone else. August 26, 2017 at 5:58 pm#5086 > Participant I agree Wxxxr, Very dull forum!?!?!?! ...Not much you can say when all your infallible systems crash and burn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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