Users ECD Posted June 23, 2017 Users Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain"...leastwise that's what it means in Australia but obviously not in the USA. This was posted in the Private section of "The Forum that Cannot be Named" June 17, 2017 at 6:04 am#4815REPLY Moderator I just got back from a Tunica trip. I’m finding that we are usually better off to go to OTB4L in very strong OTB4L shoes as well as S40 in strong S40 shoes (very high 1s and 2s). But in Streak, including Repeat, TB4L and SS shoes, we are usually better off sticking with ANB. At Gold Strike in Tunica MS, I played S40, OTB4L, and ANB. I’m conducting a little experiment to see how I would have done playing ONLY ANB. The way I played them I made 62 units. The question is, how would I have ended up playing only ANB in every shoe regardless??? – like I did in Vegas. As soon as I can, I’ll post the shoes. Moderator 1 played 13 shoes this Gold Strike trip. Most of them I played ANB but not all. Sometimes, early in the morning, I had to open the table myself. GS has an every hand rule so I needed an every hand system like S40 or OTB4L. And sometimes I entered mid shoe when S40 or OTB4L was obvious. I won 62 units in 13 shoes. Maths was never my strong point but I'm pretty sure that equates to 4.8 units/shoe A funny thing happened by the time this info was posted on The Public Forum. Things can change when you are trying to flog off a system to the terminally gullible. Posted on June 21, 2017, 6:07 pm By casinoforum.club Tunica, MS ANB Trip Report! All 13 actual casino score cards are posted on the Private Baccarat Forum in the thread ANB Review and Discussion. Total units won: 130...Hmm...Units won has increased rather substantially from 62 to 130 I averaged 10 units per shoe. Hmm...another increase on the original figure of 4.8 per shoe...These were not all full shoes. Sometimes I started mid shoe and sometimes I quit early because I hit my stop win. I played 2 systems only: ANB and ANB switch to OTB4L in obvious OTB4L shoes. OOPS...You forgot S40...LOL... I played S40, OTB4L, and ANB Your manual tells you how to know. I switched to OTB4L only in shoes starting with a confirmed 2, or a 1,2. Both of these systems are fully explained in the Final Word Manual available right now. Don't forget S40...LOL Look folks this is by far the best way to play Baccarat ever conceived by anyone in the entire history of the game. Full shoes are averaging 14 units per shoe!...err...OK...You admit to only making 4.8 per shoe before someone fudged the figures but you still claim that anyone who walks in off the street will after 2 hours of study, average three times what the self confessed "Greatest Player in the History of Baccarat" made...Pull my other leg...It plays "Jingle Bells" In Australia, you go to jail for this shit...It is out and out "FRAUD"...attempting to gain money by deception. Until I saw this flagrant alteration of the facts/scam...I was thinking that referring to Carlos as an "outside source" was right up there...LOL...remember this golden moment... ANB casino test results – 68 shoes. Won 61 shoes. Lost 7 shoes. Outside source (Carlos...LMFAO)playing only ANB strictly by the 6 rules and starting every shoe at play #2. Average on winning shoes is 17.36. on the 7 losing shoes is -11. Overallaverage for 68 shoes is 14.47 units per shoe.Average Calling Carlos an "Outside source" is deception again of the highest order... The only thing Carlos has ever been outside is "He who must be adored's" bedroom door. Carlos...the same little sleaze who managed to produce similarly unrealistic figures for the much vaunted and now discredited MvD System while at the same time coming onto this site scamming every half decent player trying to find a system that actually wins...LOL Information, deliberately misrepresented to indicate that ANB shoes were played in an actual Casino when they were played on paper only with the benefit of seeing the whole shoe... THIS IS WRONG...THIS IS OUTRIGHT FRAUD...AND YES!...OZ is PISSED OFF! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED...STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM SCAMSTERS OFFERING YOU THE WORLD ...IF IT SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE...IT USUALLY IS. You can beat this game but it takes time and hard work...There is no easy fix...no shortcut...but all the information you need to succeed is available on this Site...together with "Stats for Profit"...arguably the best Baccarat Practice Tool on the net. Your call... Edited June 23, 2017 by ECD 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted June 23, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) What I don't understand is that the CFC "Disciples" of "He who must be adored" must see these original posts on their Private Forum and must be aware of the exaggerations and downright blatant lies by the time they get to the Public Forum, but nobody dares to say "BOO". Maybe it's because they have noted that anyone who dares to question the great man is kicked out of the Forum with no refund. They see him as a "miracle worker" who in their eyes can do no wrong. As far as I am aware...The last "miracle worker" died over 2000 years ago So saying...there are some similarities between Ellis and his CFC Disciples and Jesus and his Disciples ... One could actually walk on water and the other just tells everyone that he can. I know Keith...I know...Bad Oz Edited June 23, 2017 by ECD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Looi Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 5 hours ago, ozscouser1 said: "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain"...leastwise that's what it means in Australia but obviously not in the USA. This was posted in the Private section of "The Forum that Cannot be Named" June 17, 2017 at 6:04 am#4815REPLY Moderator I just got back from a Tunica trip. I’m finding that we are usually better off to go to OTB4L in very strong OTB4L shoes as well as S40 in strong S40 shoes (very high 1s and 2s). But in Streak, including Repeat, TB4L and SS shoes, we are usually better off sticking with ANB. At Gold Strike in Tunica MS, I played S40, OTB4L, and ANB. I’m conducting a little experiment to see how I would have done playing ONLY ANB. The way I played them I made 62 units. The question is, how would I have ended up playing only ANB in every shoe regardless??? – like I did in Vegas. As soon as I can, I’ll post the shoes. Moderator 1 played 13 shoes this Gold Strike trip. Most of them I played ANB but not all. Sometimes, early in the morning, I had to open the table myself. GS has an every hand rule so I needed an every hand system like S40 or OTB4L. And sometimes I entered mid shoe when S40 or OTB4L was obvious. I won 62 units in 13 shoes. Maths was never my strong point but I'm pretty sure that equates to 4.8 units/shoe A funny thing happened by the time this info was posted on The Public Forum. Things can change when you are trying to flog off a system to the terminally gullible. Posted on June 21, 2017, 6:07 pm By casinoforum.club Tunica, MS ANB Trip Report! All 13 actual casino score cards are posted on the Private Baccarat Forum in the thread ANB Review and Discussion. Total units won: 130...Hmm...Units won has increased rather substantially from 62 to 130 I averaged 10 units per shoe. Hmm...another increase on the original figure of 4.8 per shoe...These were not all full shoes. Sometimes I started mid shoe and sometimes I quit early because I hit my stop win. I played 2 systems only: ANB and ANB switch to OTB4L in obvious OTB4L shoes. OOPS...You forgot S40...LOL... I played S40, OTB4L, and ANB Your manual tells you how to know. I switched to OTB4L only in shoes starting with a confirmed 2, or a 1,2. Both of these systems are fully explained in the Final Word Manual available right now. Don't forget S40...LOL Look folks this is by far the best way to play Baccarat ever conceived by anyone in the entire history of the game. Full shoes are averaging 14 units per shoe!...err...OK...You admit to only making 4.8 per shoe before someone fudged the figures but you still claim that anyone who walks in off the street will after 2 hours of study, average three times what the self confessed "Greatest Player in the History of Baccarat" made...Pull my other leg...It plays "Jingle Bells" In Australia, you go to jail for this shit...It is out and out "FRAUD"...attempting to gain money by deception. Until I saw this flagrant alteration of the facts/scam...I was thinking that referring to Carlos as an "outside source" was right up there...LOL...remember this golden moment... ANB casino test results – 68 shoes. Won 61 shoes. Lost 7 shoes. Outside source (Carlos...LMFAO)playing only ANB strictly by the 6 rules and starting every shoe at play #2. Average on winning shoes is 17.36. on the 7 losing shoes is -11. Overallaverage for 68 shoes is 14.47 units per shoe.Average Calling Carlos an "Outside source" is deception again of the highest order... The only thing Carlos has ever been outside is "He who must be adored's" bedroom door. Carlos...the same little sleaze who managed to produce similarly unrealistic figures for the much vaunted and now discredited MvD System while at the same time coming onto this site scamming every half decent player trying to find a system that actually wins...LOL Information, deliberately misrepresented to indicate that ANB shoes were played in an actual Casino when they were played on paper only with the benefit of seeing the whole shoe... THIS IS WRONG...THIS IS OUTRIGHT FRAUD...AND YES!...OZ is PISSED OFF! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED...STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM SCAMSTERS OFFERING YOU THE WORLD ...IF IT SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE...IT USUALLY IS. You can beat this game but it takes time and hard work...There is no easy fix...no shortcut...but all the information you need to succeed is available on this Site...together with "Stats for Profit"...arguably the best Baccarat Practice Tool on the net. Your call... Hi Oz can you explain the method ANB , it should be a good method . Thanks William Looi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted June 23, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 10 hours ago, ozscouser1 said: "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain"...leastwise that's what it means in Australia but obviously not in the USA. This was posted in the Private section of "The Forum that Cannot be Named" June 17, 2017 at 6:04 am#4815REPLY Moderator I just got back from a Tunica trip. I’m finding that we are usually better off to go to OTB4L in very strong OTB4L shoes as well as S40 in strong S40 shoes (very high 1s and 2s). But in Streak, including Repeat, TB4L and SS shoes, we are usually better off sticking with ANB. At Gold Strike in Tunica MS, I played S40, OTB4L, and ANB. I’m conducting a little experiment to see how I would have done playing ONLY ANB. The way I played them I made 62 units. The question is, how would I have ended up playing only ANB in every shoe regardless??? – like I did in Vegas. As soon as I can, I’ll post the shoes. Moderator 1 played 13 shoes this Gold Strike trip. Most of them I played ANB but not all. Sometimes, early in the morning, I had to open the table myself. GS has an every hand rule so I needed an every hand system like S40 or OTB4L. And sometimes I entered mid shoe when S40 or OTB4L was obvious. I won 62 units in 13 shoes. Maths was never my strong point but I'm pretty sure that equates to 4.8 units/shoe A funny thing happened by the time this info was posted on The Public Forum. Things can change when you are trying to flog off a system to the terminally gullible. Posted on June 21, 2017, 6:07 pm By casinoforum.club Tunica, MS ANB Trip Report! All 13 actual casino score cards are posted on the Private Baccarat Forum in the thread ANB Review and Discussion. Total units won: 130...Hmm...Units won has increased rather substantially from 62 to 130 I averaged 10 units per shoe. Hmm...another increase on the original figure of 4.8 per shoe...These were not all full shoes. Sometimes I started mid shoe and sometimes I quit early because I hit my stop win. I played 2 systems only: ANB and ANB switch to OTB4L in obvious OTB4L shoes. OOPS...You forgot S40...LOL... I played S40, OTB4L, and ANB Your manual tells you how to know. I switched to OTB4L only in shoes starting with a confirmed 2, or a 1,2. Both of these systems are fully explained in the Final Word Manual available right now. Don't forget S40...LOL Look folks this is by far the best way to play Baccarat ever conceived by anyone in the entire history of the game. Full shoes are averaging 14 units per shoe!...err...OK...You admit to only making 4.8 per shoe before someone fudged the figures but you still claim that anyone who walks in off the street will after 2 hours of study, average three times what the self confessed "Greatest Player in the History of Baccarat" made...Pull my other leg...It plays "Jingle Bells" In Australia, you go to jail for this shit...It is out and out "FRAUD"...attempting to gain money by deception. Until I saw this flagrant alteration of the facts/scam...I was thinking that referring to Carlos as an "outside source" was right up there...LOL...remember this golden moment... ANB casino test results – 68 shoes. Won 61 shoes. Lost 7 shoes. Outside source (Carlos...LMFAO)playing only ANB strictly by the 6 rules and starting every shoe at play #2. Average on winning shoes is 17.36. on the 7 losing shoes is -11. Overallaverage for 68 shoes is 14.47 units per shoe.Average Calling Carlos an "Outside source" is deception again of the highest order... The only thing Carlos has ever been outside is "He who must be adored's" bedroom door. Carlos...the same little sleaze who managed to produce similarly unrealistic figures for the much vaunted and now discredited MvD System while at the same time coming onto this site scamming every half decent player trying to find a system that actually wins...LOL Information, deliberately misrepresented to indicate that ANB shoes were played in an actual Casino when they were played on paper only with the benefit of seeing the whole shoe... THIS IS WRONG...THIS IS OUTRIGHT FRAUD...AND YES!...OZ is PISSED OFF! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED...STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM SCAMSTERS OFFERING YOU THE WORLD ...IF IT SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE...IT USUALLY IS. You can beat this game but it takes time and hard work...There is no easy fix...no shortcut...but all the information you need to succeed is available on this Site...together with "Stats for Profit"...arguably the best Baccarat Practice Tool on the net. Your call... Oz, you are correct. Every Ellis system that has been successful has one (And only one) thing in common. The system was tweaked by a member that fit their eye. The problem with the CFC staff is that they cannot check their egos at the door to welcome the "Team" approach. You name the system and someone put their spin on it and made it better. If the systems were so good and can beat "Any" type of bias then it should be stuck with. Also, Carlos monitors this and brings it back to the powers that be. That is good news so they know that there are other players not willing to drink the Kool-Aid. I have been in contact with so many players that have had their fill of CFC. 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Users ECD Posted June 23, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, McVince said: Oz, you are correct. Every Ellis system that has been successful has one (And only one) thing in common. The system was tweaked by a member that fit their eye. The problem with the CFC staff is that they cannot check their egos at the door to welcome the "Team" approach. You name the system and someone put their spin on it and made it better. If the systems were so good and can beat "Any" type of bias then it should be stuck with. Also, Carlos monitors this and brings it back to the powers that be. That is good news so they know that there are other players not willing to drink the Kool-Aid. I have been in contact with so many players that have had their fill of CFC. Very insightful post McVince. You are absolutely correct that it has been real players, playing in real casinos and playing shoes one hand at a time that have found how best to use parts of that long list of systems. It cant be done by deciding how to play a shoe after the shoe is complete. I sense you are also right about many CFC players seeing the light. Unfortunately, the CFC/Dean/Ellis business model is all about fleecing potential new members who do not understand it is all bullshit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted June 23, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 2 hours ago, McVince said: Oz, you are correct. Every Ellis system that has been successful has one (And only one) thing in common. The system was tweaked by a member that fit their eye. The problem with the CFC staff is that they cannot check their egos at the door to welcome the "Team" approach. You name the system and someone put their spin on it and made it better. If the systems were so good and can beat "Any" type of bias then it should be stuck with. Also, Carlos monitors this and brings it back to the powers that be. That is good news so they know that there are other players not willing to drink the Kool-Aid. I have been in contact with so many players that have had their fill of CFC. Carlos monitors this site??? BUGGER!...Does that mean I'm wiped from his Christmas List? ...LMFAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted June 23, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 8 hours ago, William Looi said: Hi Oz can you explain the method ANB , it should be a good method . Thanks William Looi William...ANB is not a good method at all. Mechanical Negative Progressions ALWAYS end badly. Their figures are fudged and they are desperately trying to make it work, but it won't happen. They use it in conjunction with NOR...so it is basically just another NOR System in itself based on table recognition. ANB has been tested extensively by myself...Way2fast...PapaJoe and others and we have all given it a huge "FAIL" ...Who do you choose to believe?...Long term proven winners or Carlos playing on his kitchen table? BTW: Trust me ...if PJ can't make ANB work then nobody can and nothing that pusillanimous little toad says...no amount of fudging the figures... is going to convince me otherwise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted June 23, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 LMFAO... Guys, maybe you could figure it out in 40 years too! But remember, I was a Calculus Professor with a 160 IQ. Why bother? Save yourself 40 years. I teach you EVERYTHING I know. I keep no secrets. Will you teach me to walk on water too?...LOL...More dribble comes out of that site than a Bloodhound penned with a bitch on heat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modnar Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 On 6/23/2017 at 3:30 PM, ozscouser1 said: Carlos monitors this site??? BUGGER!...Does that mean I'm wiped from his Christmas List? ...LMFAO No gift to you this year... By the way, English is not my mother language, LMFAOL stands for Laugh my F*** A** Out Loud, Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted June 25, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, modnar said: No gift to you this year... By the way, English is not my mother language, LMFAOL stands for Laugh my F*** A** Out Loud, Right? Close...but no cigar...LOL LMFAO L = Laughing...M = My...F = Freaking (sorta)...A = Arse...O = Off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modnar Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 3 hours ago, ozscouser1 said: Close...but no cigar...LOL LMFAO L = Laughing...M = My...F = Freaking (sorta)...A = Arse...O = Off Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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