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Hi PJ,
GL for your trip, I'm in a hurry to read your report!!!
ciao
andrea
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Hi Kill...,
the thread "art of net betting" is a sort of general explanation about advantages of net betting.
You can apply this procedure to any prog you want, to cut its drawdowns.
I.E. the simple U1 when you lose, D1 when you win can be applied to: P/B, opposite/repeat, etc.
Just to understand the mechanism: imagine that you apply this prog to just Player side: increase your bet when you lose and decrease when you win... till the end of the shoe; when you end this work, make the same placing the due bets under Banker side; at this point you have two bets for every decision for the whole shoe: the table bet is the difference between these bets. The advantage is that you cut the peaks of the prog lowing you general drawdown.
If you know as the prog works, you can apply this to every prog known.
If you have some problems with a kind of prog specify it and we'll help you.
I hope that this can help.
andrea
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Hi all,
PJ: at a 1st approach I like it so much, tx!
Just an advice for the newbies:
the easiest way to track this system is firstly to make the RD1 bet and THEN the anti in the blank remained square with the correct bet.
Obviously you must manage RD1 rules correctly.
ciao
andrea
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Hi MVS,
could you post a recent scorecard?
tx
andrea
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Andrea,
Yes I do. Along with the requisite SAP charting, I will at least keep track on the side of the card somewhere, to let me know how many of those "3" wagers lose on the start of the ZZ. Nothing set in stone, but if it's been winning the last 5 times it came up, I'll probably keep doing it that way.
MVS
Tx MVS, so do I;
just noticed that often guessing is more dangerous than having a fixed procedure. For that I'm considering to bet always 1 OTR (3 in a row/2 1s confirmed) with no tracking. At least, after several losses, I can decide to increase JUST that bet.
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Hi MVS,
I'm actually playing your system too: 29 live shoes played and I'm 86% of winn. shoes.
Just a question: do you track ZZs and 3s to know wether doing the 3rd bet on the run or not?
ciao
andrea
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Andrea, or MVS,
One question comes up.
Do we junp on straight runs and zigzag runs the same? I mean are we counting zigzag runs correctly.
Are we talking about a zigzag pattern of 3 counting the end of a straight run as the first zigzag so BBPB would be a zigzag run of 3, (a single 1 is a zpgzag pattern of 3), or are we talking about 3 1 in a rows?
For our testing we need to all do ZZs the same way.PJ
I count 3 opposites = 2 1s confirmed or
2 repeats = 3 in a row not confirmed
I track them separately and play as per shoe's history (stick to the last). I mean that the last time the OTR bet won I bet it again, if the previous event lost I bet OTBL for the 3rd bet.
ciao
andrea
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Hi Guys,
as promised here's my report about system MVS+ (I decide unilaterally to call it this way).
10 shoes played sticking to stated rules mechanically.
+4 +5 -8 +5 +8
+5 +4 +7 -8 +8
I played with a target of +5 units, exiting at the end of a winning run that brings me over +5.
I confirm, as per MVS results, the 80% in winning shoes.
Just a little trick: after the 2nd losing -8 I played the last (+8) shoe at a higher value unit: mission accomplished!
However, even if +3 units per shoe it's not so astonishing, the advantage of being 100% mech. it's a thing that I appreciate a lot - a real stressless system!
For the next shoes I'll try to squeeze more units per shoe, I'll keep you updated.
ciao
andrea
Still finished to play another session and completed another 10 shoes at Black Orchid:
+6 +8 +4 +5 +4
+6 -5 +5 +6 +5
100% mechanically!
ciao
andrea
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One other detail not addressed in either Andrea's rules or the standard rules: Whet if you note that one of your modes in never winning more than say 2 or 3 bets in a row, whichever it is. Isn't that another strong switch signal that currently BOTH methods are ignoring? All runs end sometime.
I'm not trying to be a party pooper, just looking for OPTIMUM rules.
This is a good question but I can answer for myself only:
in my play I need to stick to a set of fixed rules, I'm not able to well playing without them; I really make some mistakes and damages, more than playing the wrong system. From previous testing I now its highs and lows and I mostly know what's expecting me. Sooner or later all this kind of "no-pattern" sections ends and this good set of rules allows to sail this kind of problems, with patience you're usually rewarded.
ciao
andrea
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Hi Ellis, I understand your point of view but we're doing exactly what you're saying yet.
I explain it better between your questions.
Andrea, it seems like your above rules are same as standard OTB4L rules except your are awaiting 2 losses in both modes instead of 1 loss in TB4L mode?? Also you're awaiting a paper win in the new mode before resuming. Right? YES,BUT AS MVS WANTS TO DO A COMPARED TEST BETWEEN THEM CHANGING THE BASE SYSTEM, MORE OR LESS THEY HAVE TO BE COMPARABLE.
Questions: Since you are playing both modes exactly the same way, what difference does it make which mode you start? Why not let the shoe tell you???
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING LOOKING AT THE FIRST 3 DECISIONS:
PPP/BBB = TBL
PBP/BPB = TBL
PBB/BPP/PBB/BPP = OTBL
Also, when you are awaiting a paper win in the new mode to resume what if the other mode wins. Why not restart in whichever mode wins the paper win? That way we are playing more to the favoratism of the shoe.
THAT'S WHAT I SAID (MAYBE BAD EXPLAINED) IN RULE #4. IN OTHER WORDS: IF I WIN THE PAPER BET IN OTBL MODE I CONTINUE WITH OTBL, IF I LOSE THAT BET (OTBL) I STICK WITH TBL.
Comment: I think these are good rules IF we have no idea yet of what the table is favoring TB4L or OTB4L. But nearly all tables are favoring one or the other.
REMEMBER THAT SOME OF US MUST PLAY WITH NO TOTE BOARD.
The standard rules assume you know which mode the table is favoring. The standard rules are weighted toward the stronger mode. If it turns out you are wrong you can always switch which mode you are favoring. ???
think these are good rules IF we have no idea yet of what the table is favoring TB4L or OTB4L. But nearly all tables are favoring one or the other.
REMEMBER THAT SOME OF US MUST PLAY WITH NO TOTE BOARD.
The standard rules assume you know which mode the table is favoring. The standard rules are weighted toward the stronger mode. If it turns out you are wrong you can always switch which mode you are favoring. ???
THIS QUESTION ISN'T TOTALLY CLEAR FOR ME, HOWEVER THE STOP BETTING AFTER 2/3 LOSSES IN A ROW IS AN INDICATOR THAT'S SOMETHING WRONG SO IT'S POSSIBLE TO RECONSIDER THE STRATEGY.
I hope that these are the correct answers, anyway MVS can easily correct me.
ciao
andrea
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I'll need to take a break and then I run the same 100 shoes with the TB4L+ idea to compare notes. Just have to figure out how we'll bet it for the comparison. MVS
Hi Andy, from my experience with TBL+ I suggest this kind of rules:
1) Optional (but I do it in my live play): wait for a paper + before starting table betting
2) First 3 hands: like standard rules
3) TBL is our base system
4) change after 2 losses in a row but wait for a paper + (on OTBL mode) before resuming play
*consider shoe's history for that 3rd bet*
5) back to TBL after 2 losses in a row (on OTBL mode)
Let me know if you agree with this.
ciao
andrea
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Hi Guys,
as promised here's my report about system MVS+ (I decide unilaterally to call it this way).
10 shoes played sticking to stated rules mechanically.
+4 +5 -8 +5 +8
+5 +4 +7 -8 +8
I played with a target of +5 units, exiting at the end of a winning run that brings me over +5.
I confirm, as per MVS results, the 80% in winning shoes.
Just a little trick: after the 2nd losing -8 I played the last (+8) shoe at a higher value unit: mission accomplished!
However, even if +3 units per shoe it's not so astonishing, the advantage of being 100% mech. it's a thing that I appreciate a lot - a real stressless system!
For the next shoes I'll try to squeeze more units per shoe, I'll keep you updated.
ciao
andrea
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I want to change my vote to MVS =Most Viable system or Most Valuable system....or something like that. Saves on ink too ! OK got to have another cup, wait for brainstorm. Tom
Most Viable Selection? Naw... still brain dead..more coffee
I support MVS+, to differentiate the system from the author!
hahahahahhaah
andrea
PS: I'm playing it for real at Black Orchid, next week I'll share my results for the first 10 shoes.
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Andrea:
I'm with you man. I think MVS is one smart cookie. We can maybe ride this wave all the way to the beach. What you think about MVP for a name... it would seem to fit.
P.S. Guys I screwed up the last hour and still have not got Jack done with the cutie over at BOC. I still think my heart belongs to Carolina but think it is her day off. Laura on days is smoking too. The Carolina over Bhp way is smokin to but she must be a break dealer or something....hardly ever hangs around a table long enough to find out the story. Always falling out of here clothes too which is nice also. I swear I got to put post-it notes up over the dealer window to get any baccarat in at all.
Hi Tom,
tx for your support!
I'm doing some experiment and if successful I'll share rules in detail.
About the name MVP is good for me; in my personal scorecard I call it O/T+. hahaha!
ciao
andrea
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Well, on my internal testing sheets, it's "officially" known as OTB4L Sys 3 because of the proliferation of three's involved. 3 Z's, a streak on either side of 3, stop betting after 3 losses.
The mind does strange things in the wee hours of the morning when you're running sheet after sheet and that's what my brain called it.
I guess we could also try OTB4L S3 as kind of a secret code or something.
MVS (only the Shadow knows, bwuuuuuuhhhhahahahaha)
Man, I need some sleep.
Hi guys,
I read with lot of attention the explanation of MVS system (OTBL S3?) and found it very interesting.
Lately I played a lot of shoes deploying Sys.TBL+ with a good success but I like this version of automatic play. I've noticed that you should play it both in OTBL/TBL version so to get the best of two. I'm still experimentering and found 2 ways to decide what's the mode to apply.
a) looking at 2s if they're or not at average or recent
looking at an OT count: I'm trying this: when we lose 3 times in a row we suspend table betting till a paper plus (as stated rules); at this point, before resuming table betting I look at the OT count and enter the mode that it's shown.Remember that generally we make 2 bets in the current mode and the 3rd opposite that mode so we have a parachute even if we miss the right mode.
Comments?
andrea
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Well said! My dear friend, write this on the stone!
andrea
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You're right and it's a little bit slower than DB.
...and enjoy pretty nice friendly girls too!!! :banana::banana::banana:
ciao
andrea
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Tom, NO PROBLEM!!!
:beerchug::beerchug::beerchug:
andrea
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Andrea,
UCT = GMT
WHat nickname you use in BO ?
KS
They give me something like "demo 746 or 749"
andrea
if you think that I'm there you can write something like "BTC?" in the chat and I'll understand...
ciao
andrea
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Hi Andrea,
My time here is UCT +8
So when do you usually play ?
I see that you are online now ... hhmm ..
My nickname is Domain ...
KS
Sorry, what's UCT?
I JUST when from a couple of shoes from BO, if you're on-line we can play together NOW.
andrea
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Hi Andrea,
I have visited the site .. indeed it is very nice ... but too bad online gambling is ban in my country .. but I will practise using the fun token.
I have a suggestion, since it has nice online chatting, maybe we can plan a time to play together .. at the same time can test with the develop system there ... what do you think ?
The time difference is 10 hours from my side ( eg: 0700 hours in Costa Rica, it will be 1700 hours over here ), how about the time difference from your side ? If you can make it .. then it will be very very interesting ...
KS
Hi KS,
great idea!
My time is GMT+1. You're in Malaysia right? It would be GMT+7 (or 6?).
Let's organize... Let's schedule a good time for both.
ciao
andrea
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Hi Tom,
I agree with you. Friendly conversation with dealers and fun at table.
Very good for testing live action.
ciao
andrea
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Hi Guys,
I've discovered a new casino on line with live dealers:
You can test your system in demo play baccarat with live dealers for a long time with no interruptions.
I absolutely don't recommend it for real play as I don't have infos about it.
ciao
andrea:approve:
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Hi Keith,
if by "white" you mean 0/00 they're 2/38 = 1/19
so the prob to find 2 white in a row is 19x19=361
so is 1 on 361.
If this can help...
andrea
looking at an OT count: I'm trying this: when we lose 3 times in a row we suspend table betting till a paper plus (as stated rules); at this point, before resuming table betting I look at the OT count and enter the mode that it's shown.
RD1 | N Discussion and Rules ECD Group February 22, 2010
in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack
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Hi Kill...,
I run your "bad shoes" #3-4 playing RD1-n 2hi as per rules explained in post #87:
#3 ended at +1 with a high of +7 (play 34) and a low of -4
#4 ended at +6 with a high of +6 and a low of -11 (play 31)
It's not so bad for those tough shoes!
ciao
andrea