I have spent the last two days reading and playing Norm's shoes and some of my old shoes also. Thought I had everything down pat, then I ran into this shoe I Had played at Harrah's a couple years ago. I have been picking my method when I see a 3 indicating that method. IE: +3 for S40, -3 for F and crossing over o three times before one of the other two have reached 3. Here is the shoe. B2112444161111 Hope I did that right. Anyway, on play 7 the shoe had crossed 0 for the third time, so I picked OTB4L to play. It is every apparent that the Worm had turned as soon as I jumped in. My questions are: Did I jump in to soon? Is there something I should be watching to know when to switch during the shoe? Thanks for any help Bob