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Last night, while I was reading the new rules, I thought there could be different rules for OTB for ST and ZZ runs... Although there are a lot of things that can happen with super streak to super choppy that messes up the numbers, which there probably is something for that later on. Just need to digest everything and have rules and memorize it all... Thanks

Ok, just to clarify. The new rule for starting mode only applies to ST runs? So even if we are starting in M2 based on the new rules, we will stay on M3 for ZZ? And of course if in M3 based on new rules, we will still be on M3. Hmmmm, or do you have 2 sets of new rules, one for ST and one for ZZ So when your first 3bet on ST is (-), you go M2. Then if your first ZZ 3bet is (+), you go M3? Thanks for your help

At Hand5, you were in M2 because of the -OR count, got that. At Hand19, there is another 3 bet that you were in M3 for ZZ, should this have been in M2 since it didn't lose yet? Next question for you was in this shoe there were many mode changes for streak and I remember you mentioned if this happens, you stay in one mode, would you try to attempt this here. In this shoe it went M2, M2, M3, M3, M2, M3. Great play and the SAP really helped out as I get a lot of those 3+.

Question about this shoe. Hand7 was actually M3 for your first 3 bet and it was a +1 Or count at Hand6, hence why I would play this. Wouldn't this keep me in M3 at Hand10 since it isn't your first 3bet and you stay in that mode until 3bet rule changes your mode? Other than that you would have got it right for modes, is that correct?

Hi Ellis, It was actually a shoe a long time ago where you were talking about the enhancements back in 10/12. And stated only OTB uses these. And you stated that you would be at +1 at play 6 vs a -10 which is a huge improvement, just wondering how you got that starting at play 3. 1 2 3 B -1 4 B -2 5 B -3 6 P -4 That was what you were referring to, but with the enhancements you were trying to say we go OTR earlier, but it wasn't the first losing bet iar, it would be the 2nd on the switch, plus on/off? Let me know if s40 also plays m1, or only OTB like stated a year ago.

Good point, I will be aware of these triggers next time. Can you tell me how you get a +1 on a starting P51 board on the 6th hand? You mentioned it twice, I just want to see how you do the OTR and switchback or whatnot.

Sorry Wendel, I meant +3 in general for the zz runs I get at the local casino. Ellis, I saw Peter's shoe already so disregard my message on uploading. One thing for Peter, I don't get how you determined to go to M1 at play 21 for zz... it worked out on 40,41 though. Anyhow, here are some other types of shoes I am getting that deal with 5ss into long zz... happens often where I get otb to zz or vice versa or just 2 switching systems. P3222112211111 B2531111141 P91212 Enhancements worked on this shoe. Another shoe this is comon. P4111252121 B11111313212111 P1222223 So these are the shoes I get pretty often where there are 2's and then 1's and then some drops.

Ok got it, semantics again eh... ha Got it, I was trying M1 on the run til it ending with -3 +3... And for the "enhancement" I was going on and off run which made my score go high. Please see if you can post the shoe. I also went back on my other shoes and the M1 seem to work well with the -3 +3 (not the lost 2 2bets more than we have won) - if i wait for this, the shoe may be over or 1/2 or 1/3 way through? Anyhow, Some of our runs at the local casino isn't that high but there are bunch of tables that have few 5-6ss and 5-7zz so it would really help with those, we will see if it keeps on helping.

I also tried this in mode 1 and did a tad bit better around 4 units on the upside. M1 just didn't work too well because of the 4 and 5 As for the Enhancement I did, I got all the way up to +22 at hand 38.

I would like to know if anyone knows how to play this shoe. The OR count keeps going negative, but it seems like I can't play F as the runs aren't long enough and it keeps switching sides. B342254 B145322111 P2 I tried to play this OTB4LM3 U1D2 and it didn't make it through the shoe well as the 4 and 5's kept coming one after eachother. Top was +7 and then end -7 if played out the whole shoe Then I tried the enhancement this way. If OR was -3 and I lost one bet, I went OTR once and then went off. If I won that OFF bet, I go back to OTB If I lost that OFF bet, I go back OTR again, if lost this OTR, I go back to OTB... So basically I have to lose 2 bets to go back to OTB for the 2nd option. Let me know your thoughts

Hi Yes, can you let me know why? This is what I have. 1 2 3 B1 (or -2) 4 B2 (or -3) 5 6 7 The reason I ask is because what I have seen in the enhancement, it was only for a loss 1iar, this is 2 losses, so I didn't know if it still applies? And why do you switch at play 6? Do you resume OTB after the win at 6 or still go on off?

I want to know we just did the OR counts and had that number at the end of the shoe, would we know if we would have won or not in s40 or otb? Example, lets say it was a +5 or -7, if we play systematically would you know if you came out ahead without charting the whole shoe in both scenarios. I just wanted to know if there was a shortcut since my partner sends me pictures and I can just do the OR in my head.

Thanks for the info... Already been evaluating after a few losses, but I think that is too early. I need to be more confident and fearless of those 3 and 4 and even 5 bets which I haven't done. I free hand and see if something else comes up and go with it if there is a change in the shoe.

I read information from a thread "nor trip reports 10-12 couple shoes" but it also ended as there probably was a new post somewhere. Anyhow, one of the shoes was this and I wanted to see how you came about hand 6 being +1. P522232121 P11311321214 B214121131 -3 OR count comes at play 4, but per the instructions, it states for a loss 1iar then you go down. But how did you win the bet at play 7 if you are betting down on SS. I am assuming you go on and off after you hit so play 6 was off and you hit and then 7 would be on with a loss, then what would 8 be, back to otb? Wouldn't you need to lose 2 in a row to go back to OTB? Reason being for long zz runs you would be straight down and then you lose 1 and win 2 bets. Then I assume you lose 2 in a row down and go back to OTB?

I would like to know if I could bring a friend there, he plays NOR with me. But he will not play at the tables. Also, what are the best flights from SNA or LAX in California direct to PA as I only see expensive nonstop or stops that take forever to get there.

Does anyone know of we still are practicing or using Enhanced OTB and how it has been doing? I can see how it can improve the shoes a lot for runs in zz in ss, but need to completely understand it... I saw a thread back in late 2012, but didn't get much out of it. Lets say you are OTB at -3 and its Streaky, you would bet on the losing side down, but once you win do you switch back to regular OTB again.

Well yes, I only played OTB for a few hands and switched... But I started early as the other shoes were OTB and I was going by table history to start early... haha I just don't want to be stuck with OTBM3 U1D2 and go agressive when this happens and keep chasing with 5 or 6 bets before I stop... The reason why I showed this shoe is that one of the shoes you played awhile back OTBM3 U1D2 started out 112113 and this was a little similar, otb didn't start too well then came back strong +21

I actually saw a table that was OTB all night and so I decided to go play OTB4LM3 U1D2 on the 6th play. It wasn't doing so well, just wondering when you would recommend switching systems as OTB wasn't doing well at all. Can OTB even work for this or its one of the shoes that OTB dies. P11131112111411 P11133111521 B11121231121112 By the way, I did switch to s40, but just wondering if OTB can work on this as OTB is for most shoes and usually an overlap. Thanks for your help

Well for the first 4, you would hit the first 2 and then lose 2 and have your 3rd bet. If you are in m2 you would lose your 3rd bet unless your doing something else? Anyhow, let me know if I am missing something. I tend to slow down and yes when you are losing your emotions get to you. I actually played this shoe in and out and hit +17, but I was playing s40 first m2, then switched to F in and out (or some one and some off)... guess I got lucky.

Yes, I definitely never make a 2 bet unless I win a flat bet. Sometimes the next loss I still don't go up to a 2 bet until I get momentum. And I usually start off around hand 5-7 to see which system to play. I don't really see table shoe history being the same or similar at all so can never start at hand 2, its failed too many times to do that so I rather just be safe. Yes I miss out on some good bets, but better to play safe. Question Peter: If you did m2, you would have lost the first 2, 3 bets with the 4iar... 4players, 4bankers, are you sure you would do better that way?

Ok, thanks for the info. May I ask how come there were no mode changes. For me, if I were to use otb, I would start m3. Then then 4 players, I would have changed to m2, then after that, I don't know what to do as there are 4 and a 6. The beginning with OTB would have got me pretty confused as usually with a big hit at the beginning. Need your help on that.

Ok, I guess I will be careful with F, or if the shoe does start F, then I should look for a change and not stay in F the whole shoe. The example I showed was a portion of the shoe, it actually started out F. I guess I'll write out the whole shoe next time. Here is another example in F2. You can see that I notice there is always a time in my F that I could lose all the hands in the 2131 going from F2 to F3. That was my question how to get around this when I was clearly in an F shoe. Is it inevitable? After I lose the 3rd bet, I lay off, but still chart it to see what happens and it happens quite often where the mode changes 6 bets in a row. P174413 P3621314 P2121

Well Ellis, I actually meant, you once stated start F2, but recently I see start F3. So which is it, or do we just go with history. So basically my question was, if I did go with history, it usually is one after the other... f2 first then f3 the next so even if I waited for history it would be wrong... so what do I do them, it seems to always happen. Then there usually is always a point where you are always wrong no matter what mode you are in, you lose 6 plays in a row its around 80%+ that I have seen this. I don't always play all 6 bets since I watch out for it, but it seems to always happen. I need help on what we should start with and how to deal with the plays that can kill ya. Example. F3... im giving a portion of the shoe where I have issues. 411 213 After the 411, you lose 6 bets in a row going from f2, then otr, then back, and to f3 for 3 bets.

I don't quite understand how you determine mode 2 or mode 3 for F. I noticed for a lot of F shoes that I played in using m2... quite often there is a point or maybe two points in the shoe where you can lose a ton of bets in a row. Example would be in m2, lose 2, switch to other side, lose that and switch back and lose another 3 hands because you may be in m3 now. I also looked at other shoes and the same thing happened when starting with m3 where there is a point where you lose a lot of bets in a row because the shoe does the exact opposite of what we want. For m3, it would be lose 3 bets, then i switch lose one, and switch back and i lose 2 again and switch since in m2.... it happens around 20-40 hands and then i stop and just chart.