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Hi NOR members, Could you please recommend one good online casino to me as i am planning to practise NOR system online? Thank you Best Regards, Kevin

Hi weddings, Maybe you can send private message to Ellis for more info on MDB. I know little on it. Currently i will focus on NOR first as it will provide the basics I did not purchase MDB yet. And i just purchased NOR but i haven't go to casino to play using NOR system. So whether NOR system works in RWS or not i don't know at the moment. But after i feel i am ready, i will go to sinapore casino to play Kevin

Hi Mark, Btw, do you mind sharing the shoe you played so that i can use it to practise?

Hi Mark & bighorn, This is Kevin from Singapore. Nice to meet you guys. What Mark said is really important for us. That means we need to observe the pattern of the shoes in the casino first before start betting. But anyway, i just joined a few days ago so i cann't help to solve your problem. I'd like to hear from those Professional players' comment on your problem too. Regards, Kevin

BTW, you can send private message to Ellis for a better deal on MDB membership

Hi weddings, Nice to hear from you, my Singapore friend. If you were to join membership, you should join MDB membership instead of NOR membership. As i got to know from Ellis, Singapore casinos use pre-shuffled cards, which make it hard for NOR to perform well, but MDB can handle pre-shuffled card well. (PS. i only got to know that after i purchased NOR Professional Baccarat Manual And Forum Access, i did not do enough check on forum and ask around; but in the future i will join MDB once i see that i can win consistently) Regarding to your question on whether i got any losing session with NOR. To be honest, i just started to learn NOR this week. i have yet gone to casino to try it out yet. The more i read the NOR manual and forum post, the more i feel that i need to learn before stepping into casino (Ellis did also tell us not to enter casino before we have really master NOR by a lot of practise). I know your concern is whether the system sold here worked or not. Since i cannot tell you that as i haven't yet proved it by myself. But what i can share with you is that: after i joined the membership, and read the manual, i did ask many question on the private forum, Ellis is always able to reply with comprehensive answer to my question, which help me to link different concept together (which is impossible when i was surfing information from the public forum). To me, time is money, so I'd rather pay the money to find a faster way in my learning cycle Once i start to go to casino to play, i will update your my result (but i think that will be probably in mid November when i traveled to Macau)

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Welcome on board, bighorn I am also from singapore. And i bought NOR membership just a few day ago. Lucky that you knows singapore is pre-shuffled card therefore you bought MDB. Nobody responded to your question maybe because most of the member's timezone is different from us (it is early morning in their time when you posted). There are many singapore members here. We can learn together in the future Regards, Kevin

Hi Ellis, I really appreciated that you took your time to write such a long informative post. I feel that under your guide, it will not take too long for me to be able to upgrade with my winnings. I will try my best to achieve that.

Hi Ellis, Thank you very much for your detail explanation and recommendation. You words and wisdom made me much easier in understanding NOR. I think the NOR manual is quite good in term of explaining the concept in switch mode, select system and so on. Previously in the open forum, i tried to link those info mentioned by you but found that i was always lacking something. Now after reading NOR and reading forum thread, i can link them. So it just need to take some time for me to practise and build the concept into my mind Yes, I am from Singapore. I am actually open to either playing on line or in the Singapore casinos. But i suspect in Singapore play online is prohibited by law (Maybe other members from singapore can correct me if i am wrong). I may go to Macau to play occasionally if i can have a consistent winning rate in the future Personally for me to practise and test a system, i will use excel to implement my ideas and perform simulation on shoe data. Through this way i can verify whether i did really understand NOR. So can you recommend a good place to download pre-shuffled shoe data as well as real card shoe data, so that i can do simulation on both to verify i have fully mastered the NOR concept. Thank You, Kevin

Hi Ellis, I am new to NOR forum and have a few questions to ask after reading the NOR manual. Hope you can help me to clear my doubt. Question 1: In the NOR manual page 18, it is stated: Normally, 1's are half of all events, 2s are a quarter of all events and 3 or mores are also a quarter of all events. - We like tote boards that are very high in 1's and ZZ runs (S40) - We like tote boards that are very high in both 1's and 2s (S40) - We like tote boards low in 1„s but high in 2s and 3s (OTB4L) - We like tote boards high in 3 or mores ( F ) - We like Strong Sided tote boards (F) Are my below understanding of low/high/very high in an event reasonable? - Very high in 1's: 1's events >= 70% of the total events - Very high in both 1's and 2s: 1's + 2s events >= 90%, 50% >= 2s events >= 30% of the total events - Low in 1's but high in 2s and 3+s: 1's events <= 40%, and 2s + 3+s events >= 60% - High in 3+s: 3+s events >= 40% Question 2: In the NOR manual page 22, it is stated: Anyway:We pay very close attention to the hit rate especially of the first bet of our progression but also to the first and 2nd bets together.In Mode 2 and in Mode 2 only, when we see a high first bet hit rate plus, we are winning our 3rd OTR bets we upgrade our progression to 234 and then 345, but never higher. The "first bet hit rate" you mean include the hit rate for 1st bet and 2nd bets together, or just include the hit rate for 1st bet? (The reason why i asked this question is that you first sentence says "especially of the first bet but also to the first and 2nd bets together") "we are winning our 3rd OTR bets" here do you mean we have been playing 3 times of OTR (some OTR may bet twices, some OTR bet once) and we have been winning all the 3 times of OTR (or just need the 3rd OTR to be won)? Question 3: This question is not from the NOR manual, but i read one of you post from the forum (sorry i cann't remember the link), so would like to clarify You said When PVB count is at 8v12, 9v11, or 10v10, it is good net betting signals. what does net betting mean here? (123 prog, or S40, or anything else) Thank You, Kevin

Thanks, Hamster for your reply I really admire that you can pick up NOR on your own. For me, i find it almost impossible so i have just purchased the NOR membership. Do not want to wasting time in the public forum trying to find some useful tips. Wish you continuous good luck in your subsequent casino visit

Hi Elis, Just to share my personal opinion on how to convince member to join the private forum. I think you can take two steps. First step is allow members to just purchase the NOR manual (maybe usd 100 or 200), after reading the manual and finding the real power of NOR, i believe many members will proceed to buy the private forum access. When they buy the private forum access, you can deduct the money that they used to purchase the manual from the total usd 600 total cost. Btw, i am considering to be become a member. As i found it hard to find useful information in public forum. Without the manual i cann't really master NOR, and i cannot learn from other smart NOR player either Kevin