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2 on B. I'm +8...if I lose, I'm out at +6. We're on 3rd street and the shoe is still meandering around. Like I said, I'll get out with a small win if I lose this bet. Bill

Stay on B, 1 unit...presently at +9. With 22P and 19B thus far, I don't feel comfortable becoming more aggressive with my prog on F series. Bill

Well, the shoe has been posted up for several hands. My approach would have been to continue with F series, F2 on B and F3 on P (3-2's and 1-3 at this point on the player side, hand 33). It turns out this would carry me through the 2's on P and I arrive at the end of 40 hands with +8...and a 1 bet on B. The temptation is to switch to S40 due to the 1's and 2's coming out, but I will stay with F series with a max draw down at this point of 3 units. Bill

You're right Ellis, I should have given more explanation for my bet and prog thoughts. I had considered the 234 earlier if Bank had gone just once since at that point I had 6 winning first bets and one second winning bet. The start of the Bank run, causing me two losses iar has made me hold back until I see a strong first bet win rate again. My next bet...1 on B. Currently +6. Bill

The 3 unit win brings me back to +5...increase my prog to 234??? If P had come back after one B I would have gotten more aggressive, but since the streak changed sides I'm staying at the 123 prog for now. Bet 1 on B. Bill

3 on B. Following 123 prog and F2 on B. Bill

I'll stay with F2...bet 2 on P. Presently at +4 again. If P comes in, I'll up my prog to 234. If P loses, I'll go back to 1 on B and stay at 123 prog...if I continue in the shoe. Bill

Another win...+5...1 on P. Bill

One on P...+4...looking at potential to go to 234 prog if P remains strong, I go past +5, and next B is a single. Bill By the way, ADN is +11 at this point.

I'll stay with 1 on P even though 3 has been the max number of times P has repeated. The shoe is young and I'm still watching for a stronger bias than we've seen yet. Up 3 units. Bill

After winning 2 unit bet on P, I would bet 1 on P and win again for a +2. Stay with P on a F series approach and bet 1 on P.

Down 1 after the last B...I go 2 units on P. Lose this bet and I will "sit on my hands" and decide whether to continue or drop out of the shoe. I have been experiencing many tough shoes recently at the Grand in Biloxi, averaging about +2 units per shoe. Re-worked 4 of them with ADN and score over 10 units/shoe. I just scored this shoe with ADN and would be at +7 right now.... Bill

To catch up with what has been happening, my last bets have been...1 on P(W), 1 on P(W), 1 on P(L), 2 on P(W). I,m now even and playing this shoe as F2...with some trepidation since there has not been any long runs to speak of. I will bail at the first sign of trouble. Bill

I'll wait another hand to see what develops. I'm at -3 and won't make another bet until I'm comfortable with the shoe. Bill

Late again, but I would have bet 1 unit on B and lost, now back to -2. Time to wait and see what might be developing at this early stage of the shoe. Bill

Stay with the chop...1 unit on B..at -1 now.. Bill

Witchygal, I would suggest that you do not use a prog at the start of the shoe unless history of the table gives you confidence on what type shoe it is. Start with a flat bet until you are + 3-5 units and pretty sure of the shoe type, then start your progs. Bill

Great minds??? I go 1 on P, since I'm -2, I stay at 1 uit until I win a few hands (figure out the shoe). Bill

I should spend more time here. I see I lost my first bet and would have followed with another OTBL bet on B and lost that as well...-2 units and holding for a better definition of the shoe. Possible F shoe with the 4 in a row and a ZZ run starting. Bill

Missed last day. Would not have made a bet yet unyil now. Bet 1 unit on P looking for OTBL. Bill

Again, with me, no bet. I wait for some "tell" in the shoe before I start betting. As Ellis has always said, start right and you rarely have to change before you hit your goal. Bill

No bet for me. Bill

Hi Davem, I live on the Coast, have played with Kachazt1 when he's come over and would like to meet you if you come to Biloxi. bill

Thanks for posting the shoes, Keith. One thing that really jumps out from them is the commitment to a system and then following it throughout the shoe; a comment that Ellis has made over and over again. Jumping systems is most often BAD. The couple of times you made your "course correction" you did it within the first few hands and stayed with it. Very educational. In the first group, S40 in shoes 1,3, &5; F2 in 2&7, and RD in 4,6&8. The second 3 shoes were all S40. Were you able to scout the table(s) before playing? How many tables did you have to choose from? Thanks again, Bill

Keith, I am not seeing any of the shoes you and Ellis played. Do I need to do something different to see the shoes? a new program? Bill I found them on the other thread. No problem.