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How do we know NOR works? You will know when you start to read threads from other forum. Just by reading, you will know the difference =) Thanks Ellis ! d0ma1n NOR Investor

Ellis, Thanks for loving the idea. Yes, in the information age, like it or not, we are revolutionizing ourself here (even my parent learn to use iPad now in order to communictae with their grandchildren). I have attended online LIVE seminar before from RichDad PoorDad which cost $9.99, and it is a good experience although the limitation is we can't ask any question and just sit and watch. The only holdback for this seminar is only cater for the millionaire club. Not many can really practise of what they teach, but the teaching is still good. But a BTC seminar which speak a universal language and can benefit everyone (if they have the right attitude and discipline) and will definately do better than any other seminar. BTC might make a breakthru in promoting NOR as a long term investment plan (which i truly believe), rather than just a betting system in Bac. To me life is gambling, and we know gambler are loser. That's what our society are, difference is they dont gamble in casino (which make them being look bad or down), but they are consistently gambling their whole life in every aspects. Just like when i first sign up to BTC in 2008, in my mind, i will gamble $500 to sign up and see what is in it for me, from 2008-2010, nothing much happen, still losing with any systems promote in BTC, almost give up, but luckily stay long enuff to see a breakthru with NOR now. And this is where the turning point from a gambler to become a smart investor. Only 10% investor will make money, and the 90% gambler will put their money to these investor and HOPE to make some money. In BTC, we can start to make our own money right away. If we look at it this way, there will be a huge market for BTC with NOR as an investment tool, great marketing concept yah. You just need to proof it once and for all, then the rest we can setup a marketing division for BTC. I write so much! Gosh.. d0ma1n NOR Investor

Keith, This is great, make sure you make the video available after the seminar. And also, charge a reasonable price for the member. I have an idea, you can promote the new NOR manual to the public with the same price, they can have the NOR teaching on video as well if they purchase the manual for a certain period of time, this will be more attractive as I believe there are some like me is a visual learner. If this marketing work, maybe you can grant me a free access to the video later =) Cheers d0ma1n

Good idea ! I would pay to view as well. Something to re-consider since it will be the last training seminar by Ellis. Folks on the other side of this world, can learn better with recorded video + NOR manual, then we can leave the Q&A to BTC. d0ma1n

Ellis, Yes, i know the real thing is more better, but am just thinking for the interest for the rest of the members in this regions (Asia Pacific). Since NOR is a truely universal winning system which i have used it (remember my korea post? I just change my ID), so it would be good to have it once more, since we wouldn't have the luxury compare to folks in US. At least the hope is can watch the Bac-Legend like you and Keith, to share and show us LIVE on performing NOR, while both of you still have the passion and time to do it now, why not strecth the limit. If not, then we will only depend on BTC forum as well as the NOR manual later. d0ma1n

Total agree. Especially when ur chips start stacking up, and the whole table is wondering and start looking at you, you know you are not a gambler anymore. With NOR, we can predict our winnning or losing, and control our game better, don't give a dam on what the next person or the whole table say.. Just focus and win! Dom Ps: Am an asian too... Bac have nothing to do with which continent you are from

Ozony, Just sign up while it is still $500 for lifetime. Ellis just completed the NOR system, and personally i have been using it early this year and it have been a truly winning system compare to the many systems in BTC. NOR is easy to learn, simple betting system and most important it is very predictable! See ya in the private forum! Dom

Hi Ellis & Keith, Have you think of conducting such seminar online ? This will give more opportunity to guys like us on the other part of the world to have the same chance to learn live from you. I guess there is a lot of online web-hosting we can look into, and every participant just need to dial-in and watch the presentation and Q&A, which is more efficient. Cheers, d0ma1n

Hi Daytrader, Maybe I would like to share my experience since I have been into such situation many times. For a new shoe, normally I will start with flat betting when I don't see a clear trend (LC/MC Events). In your example, P11115, I would start bet at play 3. When come to losing two S40 bet in a roll, and there is no clear signal the streak will either stay 3s or go to 4s/+, I will not bet and WAIT. If the play continue to go to 4s (like in this example), then I will bet (1) bet OTR, win or lose, with get back to S40 with (1) bet as well. And if the streak 4s+ continue, then I will bet every other bet on OTR as it doesn't hurt since I am still in flat betting mode. When the trend or biases are clearer, then I will deploy the prog 123 or 234 (depend on my chips). Hope this helps. KS

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Hi All, Just back from Seoul, Korea. Amazing thing happened as the hotel that I stayed have a casino. Didn't expect that, but nice experience playing there, not crowded, nice dealer, and the funny thing is that I don't understand what other players were speaking. So a total peace for me which I can have more focus on the bac game. There are 16 tables (2 non-smoking) there, all are mini-bac with 6 decks, so can finish a shoe in 40-50 hands, very fast. Played four sessions, and again back as a winner with NOR for this trip. Have many new experience this time, personally I can conclude that NOR is a universal winning approach for me. This is my 4th trip this year, and all winning trip with just using NOR. The new cards is factory pre shuffled, and most of the shoe are neutral first, then streak or vice versa. I applied S40 and OTBL most of the time and kill many shoes ! Very seldom applying F2/3. One thing I played differently is the stop loss (-8), I didn't really stop at -8, if I did, I will come back even with bigger win. Since I am there to enjoy the new experience (first time playing in Korea), so i just let it flow, and make sure I am betting with the casino chip instead of mine. And second is applying an aggressive prog when hitting the right mode. My highest bet is 3 units .. very rare that I bet 4 units ( there is no 5 units bet this time ). Example, if I know I am in the right mode, after winning 1 unit (1st bet), then I will bet 3 unit (2nd bet), then 2 units (3rd bet), then 2 units (4th bet), then back to 1 unit (5th bet). If lose any of the prog 1322, at any point, i will start back at 1 unit. It is a more conservative yet aggressive when you are in a good shoe, instead just flat betting at 1 unit. I remembered Ellis mention that it is a sin when you don't double up your prog when in a winning mode. My bet unit size is Korean Won 10,000 ( which is 3x in my local currency ), for this trip, most of my prog is 123. Will try to scan some shoes for review here. Anyway, it is a good experience, nice environment, nice tote board with all the statistics, they even show a lots of trend to make it easy for the gamblers, nice dealers, nice food. Another thing I want to add is that, everyone start looking at me instead of the nice tote board when my chips keep on stacking up, and their is the other way round. Some gamblers even wait for me to place the bet, when I don't place the bet, no one is placing it .. amazing ! Some sit right beside me, and look at my score card and try to ask something which i don't understand, and of course they are puzzled with the circles, and why there are numbers in circles, and columns, etc. Cheers KS

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I see, so we are from the same batch of student 2008 .. haha time really flies .. Then we shared the same experience in BTC .. great that so many good players are still around but most of them didn't post much nowadays. I believe NOR will do good in a no-table selection situation, and great if you can select it. It also help to prepare us for the rainy day, sometimes we will have one or two bad shoes .. but it is flexible to adjust it. Ellis finally can called it a day and will wait for the official manual soon. Btw, HAPPY BIRTHDAY Ellis !! Cheers KS

Gary, I am practicing with NOR too. And it is bearing fruits (after I have tried so many systems in BTC, and NOR will be the best of all) for now. I hit my goal in 15mins in my recent trip. What I did was walked around and did some table selection, and there was a choppy shoe, so I just cashed in for $300 for 12units ($25) and sit on a min $50 table, so am playing $25 legally on a $50 table. I hit my goal $300 in 15mins, ROI 100%!, as there were a lot of 1s and 2s (understand better now why Ellis keep on pressing in table selection, which is important, you will win half way thru if u take the time off and see what the shoe is calling for). At this point, the whole table was looking at my chips .. where everyone was losing, and how come this cool guy have a steady chip growing. So, when I hit my goal, I step back for a drink, so am not in a spotlight. Then, I had a cup of drink, and went back to the same shoe, it was still in chop mode, so I going in again, but suddenly it turned to be streaky, so what I did was after 2 losing bet, I just wait and see instead of going into OTR bet. Here I learned that, we don't need to bet every bet with NOR, we can just wait, then when the shoe is back to chop-mode, then we can continue with the left over prog (eg: lose 2 and 3 ... wait until it back to chop .. then bet for 4, OR lose 2 and 3, you can go OTR with 2, lose or win, start back with initial bet 2). But was not a long streak, then I hit another $200 in another 10 mins and called it a day ! Initial capital $300 and brought back $500, not bad after all, 167% return in less than 30mins - Neat ! Too bad, I didn't record this shoe as the electronic tote board was very convenient here and you can see everything is recorded nicely on the screen... Yeah, I practiced NOR for few months before I test it out, so I can run it in my head. With NOR, am confident that it will bring more consistent winning. Now am practicing online at BPH, so far every shoe is a winner.. and have recorded every shoe I played (though am using fun chips). I find that in BPH, we are handicap as we can't do table selection, which is a tough training, that's why when we can select the table, we will beat the shoe easily coz table selection is half battle win ! Cheers KS

Hi MVS, Guess we are playing in the same shoe, luckily I was playing it with fun token as practise for ADOT, agree that it was an ugly shoe, manage to get +14 at the beginning, using Prog 2345... And then it goes 4-loses and go 0 and never come back to positive. The stop loss is important here, either we get it or not. If discipline enough i would have stop at +10 or after 4-losses. One observation and agreed by Mark as well that ADOT likes BhP shoes a lot... So far tested 6 previous shoes played all positive.. Will continu to test the rest, i got about 30 live shoes, if majority is a winner.. We can go for it though sometime we got a sprinkle ( make sure we don't get ourself wet - Stop Loss ) Cheers KS

Hi Andrea, Nice playing live with you at BOC .. Too bad that the connection is lagging ... i guess the pitboss is watching our conversation ... and too bad it is fun token .. if not we are making +10 ! U play real money in DB right ? Cheers, KS

Andrea, UCT = GMT WHat nickname you use in BO ? KS

Hi Andrea, My time here is UCT +8 So when do you usually play ? I see that you are online now ... hhmm .. My nickname is Domain ... KS

Hi Andrea, I have visited the site .. indeed it is very nice ... but too bad online gambling is ban in my country .. but I will practise using the fun token. I have a suggestion, since it has nice online chatting, maybe we can plan a time to play together .. at the same time can test with the develop system there ... what do you think ? The time difference is 10 hours from my side ( eg: 0700 hours in Costa Rica, it will be 1700 hours over here ), how about the time difference from your side ? If you can make it .. then it will be very very interesting ... Cheers KS