Guest CarlosM Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Lets all talk about tells we use, beyond the manuals. I'll start. One, of many, I use is in a game where I notice EVERY time I push, I usually or ALWAYS win the next hand, I will bet big on the next hand! Guys? Bad Dog? Ellis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Far out! I will look into that.Sometimes I don't know how I know what I know. I just know. It's kinda creepy.BTW, I really like the new name "Bad Dog." Maybe I'll change over to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CarlosM Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 No, you are a good dog! SIT! Good doggy. Ha ha. BTW, my title for this post was meant to say Game Tells. I have many other game tells I use that was only possible to know from my own experience. One game I noticed when the dealer broke, I always or usually lost the next hand, so, I would bet table minimum, even if at a$25 table playing a 1-4-6 with $100. WCB taught us to see if dealer breaks signal dealer breaks. I also track the average and longest a dealer doesn't break before she does. I only use it if it is consistent. Say, she normally goes 4 hands without a break, I bet she will on next hand. I have many more but, I need sleep. I will be playing next week. I am bringing with me a special guest who is new on our forum and not an NBJ player yet. He is like a reporter doing a story on me and will post on this forum all about it. Kind of like writing for a paper a reveiw for a restaurant. We will beleive in NBJ next week! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CarlosM Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 I also watch after a push if I always or usually lose the next hand. If yes, I will bet table minimum after a push. We don't pay much attention to a push becasue it is not a class A, B or C hand. ALWAYS pay attention to your push hand and see what always or usually happens after. Ellis is so right about what he said in the Bac forum. The U2Hi keeps improving. We have to keep looking for better and same with BJ. Our learning NEVER stops. I asked Ellis many times over the years if there is anything else he hasn't taught me that are above the manuals and he always said no. Now, I finally understand! He can't tell me more. ONLY we can. We only can because there are situations we haven't encountered yet. This means there will be more situations I haven't encountered yet. So, there is still more to find out about and learn! Awsome!!!!! Can you people imagine how amazing we will be as professional players in 20 years from now? S C A R R Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sure, the casinos find ways to counteract against B.S players and even NBJ players by machines or toning down on clumping. But, the casinos don't notice what I do. Like when I say in a game after a push, I will win the next hand. How can they counteract against that? They can't. They are many steps ahead of most players but, I will ALWAYS be steps ahead of them! The casinos may have read and studied NBJ but, they stop learning there. I didn't. Anything above the manuals, I know and they don't. They have gotten as good as they can ever get but, I'm just getting started! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CarlosM Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Man, I'm on fire tonight! Ellis, what have you greated you mad man scientist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CarlosM Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Thank you from the bottom of my heart! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenwin Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I find all these tell tells mentioned here are very interesting indeed. I've always noticed 'things' happening at the table. I never think those could be 'applicable' to play. For example, paying attention to the hand after push is a good one. But it also makes me wonder if there is some theory to it ? Also, how many more push hands in a shoe we could bet accordingly after ? What if the bet result turns out just the opposite ? (we'll lose, I know). Is this more like gambling ? After all we are only based on some observational factors.But please don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing here. Just want to know if there is scientific prove to them ?I have two that I would like to share: 1) Recently, playing with our shuffling machine MD 1.1, whenever there is 1 player has BJ (not 2 players) in a round, the dealer almost always make her hand to 20 or 21 as to kill every other players. It doesn't matter if she has a 10 up or a small card up. Unfortunately, there is absolutely nothing the table can do about that. Is there ?2) With our machines, usually if you see someone who has A+9, and the dealer breaks in this particular round with a 10 card. Almost always the same person will get BJ in the next round. (This is suitable for a back bettor to place his next bet with that person. But not everyone know this.)I hope we would all share more of these tell tells.Zenwin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted March 8, 2008 Users Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I think you mean Tall Tells.I think you guys have flipped your lids!There are no leprechuns!Elvis is dead!Take two aspirin and go to bed!It you can't find a sound mathematical basis for it don't bet hard earned money on it. NBJ is about FACT, not fiction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CarlosM Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Excactly Ellis! Anything an average player or a card counter hears about NBJ/WCB is a TALL TALE to them. What do you think about what I meantioned with watching all push hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Sometimes Ed would say things like "sometimes a dealer break is followed by another dealer break" and he instructed me to look for that sort of thing. I don't know whether it was based on any sound mathematical principle, but Jesus, that guy was a good card player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CarlosM Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 I use another trick only sometimes. Only if this pattern proves consistent. Some games I see the dealer will not break, for example, 4 hands, lets say. Then almost always, she breaks after 4 non break rounds. ONLY in that game, everytime I have seen 4 rounds of non dealer breaking, I will bet big the next hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenwin Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 In such game will you apply negative progression such as 1-4-6 before your big bet ? Then, is this big bet more then 6 units ?Zenwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Zenwin, please don't bother with this. Just train on real cards and don't take this thread too seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CarlosM Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Zenwin, these are things you will pick up through experience. Just look at it as a taste of what's to come when you become very good. Read the manuals over and over. Practice like crazy! Read the manuals again. Every reading you will learn more. Even years later you will pick something up from reading that you forgot to do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenwin Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 I got it, Ellis, Mad Dog and Carlos.I'll pay more attention to NBJ for now.Thanks.Zenwin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted March 10, 2008 Users Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Cool, now I'll work on that thick headed Carlos! I can't believe this thread went two pages. This shit belongs with that MIT shit. Movie? God help us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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