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Ellis, I would like to thank you personally for some of my most recent wins, but especially for my latest win, which I consider to be my best card play performance ever (except at my own style of head to head play) Oh I only won $500 which is quite below my best wins but the point is that I beat a difficult game under very bad conditions (crowded Friday night). I beat a highly clumped game playing 3rd base and had I used straight BS, I would have been killed. In less than one hour, I won 12 to 15 WCB hands, hitting stiffs against 5s and 6s but also standing on my stiffs against 10s in HTR rounds. I also played BS in random parts of the shoes. It seems I always made the right move. I was down $400 before I could get a good read and I made a $1000 upswing before losing a few hands and leaving the casino with $500 in one hour of play. The other players could not believe some of the moves I made. They were in awe. The guy at first base even started to duplicate my moves. At one point both he and I had identical hands (12 vs 5) and he asked me. «Do I take it or do you take it?» He took the card and got a 9 for 21. I opted to stay after his 9, a 10 came out and busted the dealer. Perfect. When I left, the guy at first base looked at me, smiled and shooked his head. He could not believe what he’d just seen. It was my 10th straight win but by far the most satisfying. I felt like… I was Ellis and would not have a losing day in the next three years.

Unfortunately, there is a DOWNSIDE to this story. It happened the next night. Again, the conditions were difficult (crowded Saturday night) and table selection was very limited. I wish I could have played in the afternoon but I couldn’t. I was such on a good run (10 straight wins) and I was quite high after my Friday night win that I saw a challenge. I told myself I was going to win, that I could not lose. However, the games were bad and much more difficult to read. Furthermore it seems the dealer always had a better hand. If I had 17 he had 18, and if I had 19, he had 20. Once I had two $200 hands both 20 against 6 and the dealer pushed me. Double downs did not work that well and I did not split much. I started at $50 and after losing $1500, I played more aggressively with many hands over $100 and even $200 (sometimes two $200 hands). I almost made it back with a $1000 run and after staying around that point for a while, I took a dive and lost it all back to end up where my bankroll was a week ago. Then I realized I was not Ellis yet and I went home.

QUESTION : Ellis, my goal is to win consistently and hopefully not to have a losing day in three years (like you) but I guess a 90% win rate would be satisfactory. I show very good discipline at not giving back money to the casino when I win but it’s when I lose that I tend to hang around too long. Where do you draw the line when things don’t work out. It’s tough to pack it in when you are confident. You can be your own worst enemy but you want to fight too. WHAT IS YOUR RULE? How can you win every day? I’m trying to find the right rule for me. I’m pretty cool at a blackjack table but I am now thinking that after three F-words, I should get out. Maybe even before.

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Hi Niki21! The good news is that you are doing a lot of things right. The other good news is that you are doing a lot of things wrong. Why is that GOOD news? Because it means you can greatly improve your game. Not so much an individual game, but your overall performance.

It's like the small NY City boy that said yeah, he's a lot bigger than me but I fight dirty! How do you fight dirty? You only pick on the games you can easily beat.

I can't beat a Saturday night game. Nobody can. They could let you see the top card in the shoe and you STILL could not beat that game. So what were you doing in that game when you know that you would NEVER see me in that game? You don't knock your head against tough games. Fight dirty! Pick on their weaknesses. Stay away from their strengths.

Oh, so you gave yourself an excuse. Look you NEVER give yourself an excuse to lose. Because as soon as you do that's exactly what you are going to do. You KNOW you did wrong. OK, for your penance watch the movie "The Hustler" 5 times. That's the perfect example of why you never give youself an excuse.

"I'll be right there Honey as soon as I lose these chips." Now he's got a game plan. He's got an excuse to lose which is exactly what he's about to do.

Why are you trying to play based on a few tips from the public forum? Do you think we are going to put our best tips in there? You are obviously a serious player who takes his mission seriously. Get the whole NBJ package. Learn ALL the tricks, not just a handful. The price has never been lower and NBJ BJ conditions have never been better! You owe it to yourself. And when you do, pay particular attention to the manual "In Search Of The Winning Game". That is where you are making your biggest mistakes. Keep at it and pretty soon you will see how easy it is to play 3 years W/O a losing day. It's not nearly as hard as it seems right now. You just need to know a few more tricks.

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First of all, i wouldn't be sitting @ 3rd base if you're clump tracking. 1st base or the one right after 1st if your best bet. 3rd base is more if you're playing a random deck game and or counting using a negative betting progression. You gotta be careful with HTR rounds. Usually the shoe repeats itself for while because of the non-random shuffle. I usually wouldn't hit on a 10,2 in an HTR round because the 2's usually flow with tens and the dealer most likely has a 2 or 3 under. But for the most part, in HTR rounds, the dealer most likely has a good hand 2 out of 3 times, so you're more opt to hit and try to catch a stray. Again it's the way the deck is going. If everyone has a stiff, especially third base and 1st, usually the dealer has a similar hand just because of the way the cards are flowing.

Ellis is right about targeting your tables, don't try to win at bad tables... part of winning is developing a sense for sitting in at winning tables were the dealer is weak, getting poor hands.. can't even make a pair of Aces. There are tables in no matter what you do, you'll lose. It's almost like fate has turned against you and you're making every wrong move, or, no matter if you hit or stand, you would lose anyway. It's meant for the house to win, not you during that time, that's the spooky part of blackjack; it's almost as if the cards know what you're going to do. But in my mind, the cards don't know, but the dealer does, and who says cheating doesn't go on.. i know it does because i've seen it, and was involved in it with dealers who wanted to make tokes.

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Night Shifter third base isa great clump game. You can see all the card flow up to your hit card. In addition because you are at thrid base your hands tends to be most like the dealers in which case you may pick up the dealer strategy bias that develops. If you want to pull the bias to you, play dealer startegy at third and ( surprisingly to some) you will break about even Now the real trick is to play minimum bets at thirdbase and control the dealers hit card and place the real money bets at the position in front of thirdbase. Get ready though for some real heat .....Oh my world class secrets.

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Different circumstances led me to play on a Saturday night and I usually try to avoid that but I get the point Ellis. I did not know you could not beat a Saturday night game because you said that at one point in your career you tried to play the toughest games to become a better player and you did. You also say in WCB that you virtually sit at any 2-3 player table? (I've read WCB not only a few tricks on the forum Ellis). Anyway, I'll play dirty from now on and go for the jugular only. Thanks! I also have to see that movie (Hustler).

QUESTION 1 By the way my favorite pitt was closed on that infamous night (they usuallly open it at 7:30 PM). Ellis, do you consider that a normal Saturday night pit if only three players are sitting at a table that has been open for an hour or so? Does a table like this deserve a shot or not?

QUESTION 2 I paid a fair price for World Class Blackjack (a truly outstanding program and the best that I know of in my $1500 blackjack library) which is quite an upgrade over NBJ according to at least one independent review that already had an excellent rating of NBJ. Why would I need to buy NBJ then? I don't understand that sales pitch (Ellis and Keith). Maybe I just need to refresh my mind with some parts of WCB. No?

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Hi Niki21! The good news is that you are doing a lot of things right. The other good news is that you are doing a lot of things wrong. Why is that GOOD news? Because it means you can greatly improve your game. Not so much an individual game, but your overall performance.

It's like the small NY City boy that said yeah, he's a lot bigger than me but I fight dirty! How do you fight dirty? You only pick on the games you can easily beat.

I can't beat a Saturday night game. Nobody can. They could let you see the top card in the shoe and you STILL could not beat that game. So what were you doing in that game when you know that you would NEVER see me in that game? You don't knock your head against tough games. Fight dirty! Pick on their weaknesses. Stay away from their strengths.

Oh, so you gave yourself an excuse. Look you NEVER give yourself an excuse to lose. Because as soon as you do that's exactly what you are going to do. You KNOW you did wrong. OK, for your penance watch the movie "The Hustler" 5 times. That's the perfect example of why you never give youself an excuse.

"I'll be right there Honey as soon as I lose these chips." Now he's got a game plan. He's got an excuse to lose which is exactly what he's about to do.

Why are you trying to play based on a few tips from the public forum? Do you think we are going to put our best tips in there? You are obviously a serious player who takes his mission seriously. Get the whole NBJ package. Learn ALL the tricks, not just a handful. The price has never been lower and NBJ BJ conditions have never been better! You owe it to yourself. And when you do, pay particular attention to the manual "In Search Of The Winning Game". That is where you are making your biggest mistakes. Keep at it and pretty soon you will see how easy it is to play 3 years W/O a losing day. It's not nearly as hard as it seems right now. You just need to know a few more tricks.

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Night Shifter third base isa great clump game. You can see all the card flow up to your hit card. In addition because you are at thrid base your hands tends to be most like the dealers in which case you may pick up the dealer strategy bias that develops. If you want to pull the bias to you, play dealer startegy at third and ( surprisingly to some) you will break about even Now the real trick is to play minimum bets at thirdbase and control the dealers hit card and place the real money bets at the position in front of thirdbase. Get ready though for some real heat .....Oh my world class secrets.

True, you can play clumped cards very well from 3rd base and I often do that when first is taken but you lose that first base first card 10 advantage. It's just that third base in RANDOM cards is a virtually can't lose NBJ game. But 3rd is the second best position in a clumped game and gives you the best control of the dealer. Now NBJ players at both first and third which I did a lot with both Keith and Aegis also makes an excellent situation in a clumped game. But the best situation is head to head where you can play BOTH the first and third base strategies at the same time as needed.

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Different circumstances led me to play on a Saturday night and I usually try to avoid that but I get the point Ellis. I did not know you could not beat a Saturday night game because you said that at one point in your career you tried to play the toughest games to become a better player and you did. You also say in WCB that you virtually sit at any 2-3 player table? (I've read WCB not only a few tricks on the forum Ellis). Anyway, I'll play dirty from now on and go for the jugular only. Thanks! I also have to see that movie (Hustler).

QUESTION 1 By the way my favorite pitt was closed on that infamous night (they usuallly open it at 7:30 PM). Ellis, do you consider that a normal Saturday night pit if only three players are sitting at a table that has been open for an hour or so? Does a table like this deserve a shot or not?

QUESTION 2 I paid a fair price for World Class Blackjack (a truly outstanding program and the best that I know of in my $1500 blackjack library) which is quite an upgrade over NBJ according to at least one independent review that already had an excellent rating of NBJ. Why would I need to buy NBJ then? I don't understand that sales pitch (Ellis and Keith). Maybe I just need to refresh my mind with some parts of WCB. No?

Best regards

AHA, so you are a WCB player. That explains everything! Out of about 5000 NBJ/WCB players only a handfull are WCB only players which tells me you likely did not get your manual from me. In fact, there are so few that we don't have a policy for you guys.

Keith, I would not be adverse to a half price deal for NiKi1. It would be interesting to follow his exploits. Also his posts would be more informed.

Niki1, I did not go over everything again in WCB that is in NBJ as WCB is the sequel of NBJ. Also, you sorely need In Search Of. Did you get the WCB audio tapes with your manual?

I did not know you could not beat a Saturday night game because you said that at one point in your career you tried to play the toughest games to become a better player and you did. You also say in WCB that you virtually sit at any 2-3 player table? (I've read WCB not only a few tricks on the forum Ellis). Anyway, I'll play dirty from now on and go for the jugular only. Thanks! I also have to see that movie (Hustler).

That is how I learned to pick on only the best games. Yes, I'll TRY any 2-3 player game but I'm at the casino at the best times to do that successfully. If you keep a good record of your bottom line profits per hour of play you will learn to only play the hours that improve your bottom line.

QUESTION 1 By the way my favorite pitt was closed on that infamous night (they usuallly open it at 7:30 PM). Ellis, do you consider that a normal Saturday night pit if only three players are sitting at a table that has been open for an hour or so? Does a table like this deserve a shot or not?

No, its not normal and yes it deserves a shot. The cards do not know the time of day. New cards are new cards. It would be good to know if the card prep procedure was the same as the normal morning procedure and what that procedure produces. So many BJ books tell unsuspecting players to avoid new cards that players are suspicious of late opening pits. This presents an excellent opportunity because the fact is that new cards are the very best cards you'll see all day.

QUESTION 2 I paid a fair price for World Class Blackjack (a truly outstanding program and the best that I know of in my $1500 blackjack library) which is quite an upgrade over NBJ according to at least one independent review that already had an excellent rating of NBJ. Why would I need to buy NBJ then? I don't understand that sales pitch (Ellis and Keith). Maybe I just need to refresh my mind with some parts of WCB. No?

No! WCB is great but it is not all inclusive.

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True, you can play clumped cards very well from 3rd base and I often do that when first is taken but you lose that first base first card 10 advantage. It's just that third base in RANDOM cards is a virtually can't lose NBJ game. But 3rd is the second best position in a clumped game and gives you the best control of the dealer. Now NBJ players at both first and third which I did a lot with both Keith and Aegis also makes an excellent situation in a clumped game. But the best situation is head to head where you can play BOTH the first and third base strategies at the same time as needed.

Yep, you lose that 10's advantage. Problem with 3rd on a crowded table, the clump can change by the time you sniff it out. I do better at 1st, and i always noticed that 1st base always received the better cards in a clumped game, moreso than any other position. Maybe it's just me, but i see more people winning at first these days. 3rd is good to alter the dealers hands...

If you burn a card (take one for the hell of it) you shift the dealers hand to your hand.. try it .. deal yourself hands.. then burn a card, redeal the same cards and you'll see the hands shift to the right... shunn a card, you give the dealer your hand. Or what would of been your hand. This is good if you hands are very cold, so why not give the dealer your seat :)

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Hi Ellis

I did not know I was an exception in your group. I bought WCB right here at beatthecasino.com but I never got any audiotapes or any printed material. I have electronic access to my WCB ebook which I can't even download in my computer. I have no material at all and if by any chance this site would go away I would be left with nothing. Did I miss something?

I have a Target 21 background (after giving up on card counting) which is practically all about searching winning tables and table departure signals. Is that similar to your «In search of»? However T21 doesn't say anything about enlightened card play. I've been practicing a lot in the past three months with a computer software that I won't name here but you know which one I'm talking about. It simulates real casino play, shuffle and pick-up procedures. The NBJ/WCB style of play is even incorporated in it. That software really helped me to become comfortable with WCB moves and betting strategies. I'm really stepping up to another level now and I feel like what I need most is experience and game management, not another book, I've read and reread so much stuff already. I even made some experiments of my own that I could probably publish since I have never seen anything written up on this but it's really not my intention. I used to be a head-to-head only player but I have to go Vegas to play those games. Now I don't mind driving two hours (only) to the nearest casino. I can take a day off every week play 1st or 3rd base with WCB and work on my consistency. I don't mind playing with other players now and thanks to WCB (and that software), I don't have to take a 10-day vacation to play blackjack. One thing that is great with a lot of practice is that it takes away the excitement of playing and that's a good thing. When you arrive to Vegas and you have not seen a deck of cards in six months, you tent to get too excited (and well it's Vegas!). Play to win! Don't play to play! Blackjack has to be seen as a business not a game. And I would love to watch you play one day Ellis. When and where would that be possible?

AHA, so you are a WCB player. That explains everything! Out of about 5000 NBJ/WCB players only a handfull are WCB only players which tells me you likely did not get your manual from me. In fact, there are so few that we don't have a policy for you guys.

Keith, I would not be adverse to a half price deal for NiKi1. It would be interesting to follow his exploits. Also his posts would be more informed.

Niki1, I did not go over everything again in WCB that is in NBJ as WCB is the sequel of NBJ. Also, you sorely need In Search Of. Did you get the WCB audio tapes with your manual?

That is how I learned to pick on only the best games. Yes, I'll TRY any 2-3 player game but I'm at the casino at the best times to do that successfully. If you keep a good record of your bottom line profits per hour of play you will learn to only play the hours that improve your bottom line.

No, its not normal and yes it deserves a shot. The cards do not know the time of day. New cards are new cards. It would be good to know if the card prep procedure was the same as the normal morning procedure and what that procedure produces. So many BJ books tell unsuspecting players to avoid new cards that players are suspicious of late opening pits. This presents an excellent opportunity because the fact is that new cards are the very best cards you'll see all day.

No! WCB is great but it is not all inclusive.

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OK Niki1. You should be able to see everything now. You should also be able to download anything but I think Keith might have to give you temporary download permissions. All the audios and I think the video too is there.

Maybe we could get Keith on here to explain that.

Post right here if you have any problems.

Nightshifter, what's your story? Are you an NBJ Player?

Keith, could you briefly tell the BJ members what they should have access to so that prospective members know for sure what they are getting.

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The Package for Blackjack has the 4 tapes in Windows Media format recorded live in Las Vegas.

The NBJ Manual and the World Class Blackjack Manual. These are jammed pack with Blackjack Dynamite.

We also included the In Search of Manual .

I will be converting the WCB tapes over asap. All this is included in our Blackjack Package. You have immediate access to it as soon as you join the World Class Blackjack Forum.

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OK Niki1. You should be able to see everything now. You should also be able to download anything but I think Keith might have to give you temporary download permissions. All the audios and I think the video too is there.

Maybe we could get Keith on here to explain that.

Post right here if you have any problems.

Nightshifter, what's your story? Are you an NBJ Player?

Keith, could you briefly tell the BJ members what they should have access to so that prospective members know for sure what they are getting.

I'm a dynamic player, i just go with the flow unless i absolutely cannot beat the cards, (the fate element i call it)... If the cards are behaving, the game has integrity and performs well using the High Opt II, then that's what i use. I'm careful of clumping or betting into false counts (high card runs that never seem to end). Sometimes I play opposite the count because the game is so clumped, and sometimes i play the count going to the pivot point.. if it's +8 and heading towards zero, i'll bet large in anticipation of a High Cards Clump coming out. Also i use card sequencing... certain cards when near each other form biases in the game. You want your aces to be mixed in with high cards, not low .. 2's away from 10's .. 2's go better with 9's, 8's and 7's. 4's away from 8's . these make those 14 hit with 8 hands...

Core Card Clumps are bad for the player but good for the dealer, well unless you hit your core card stiffs... 5,6,7,8 clumps that is. combinations of those cards form strong hands, esp. for the dealer because he'll hit until 17... most players will stay on those stiffs... I have 7 different strategies i employ, and one of them is get the hell outta of the casino, you won't beat them today :) It's just a bad day, cards are horrifying all over! That usually happens when the DOW is in the red ;) I have the Blackjack Manuals from a few years ago... they did help me a lot in games that are clumped, that's for sure!

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Nightshifter, you are an exceptionally bright player. Therefore I think the NBJ package would serve you very well. Actually NBJ conditions are better today than ever before. There are revelations in the package that will truly open your eyes. I think you can quickly get your overall hands won rate well over 50%. You have a clear and open mind making you a top candidate for NBJ/WCB/ISO. Think about it. In your case I think the whole package would pay for itself in one outing. Besides, its fun reading.

While you definitely have NBJ leanings born from your own experience and open mindedness there were a few things you said that made me realize that you are not a formal NBJ player. But you should be.

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Hey Ellis, Nighshifter does have a lot of experience under different conditions. He talks about the count and seems to know how to adjust. Do you consider it would be worth to learn and practice the High Opt II system and mix it up with NBJ and WCB? By the way I'm back on the winning track. 3rd base strategy works fine where I am playing as long as you get out on track. I'm 12-4 in my last 16 outings including that infamous night that cut my earnings of that sequence in half.

Nightshifter, you are an exceptionally bright player. Therefore I think the NBJ package would serve you very well. Actually NBJ conditions are better today than ever before. There are revelations in the package that will truly open your eyes. I think you can quickly get your overall hands won rate well over 50%. You have a clear and open mind making you a top candidate for NBJ/WCB/ISO. Think about it. In your case I think the whole package would pay for itself in one outing. Besides, its fun reading.

While you definitely have NBJ leanings born from your own experience and open mindedness there were a few things you said that made me realize that you are not a formal NBJ player. But you should be.

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CORRECTION: Hey Ellis, Nighshifter does have a lot of experience under different conditions. He talks about the count and seems to know how to adjust. Do you consider it would be worth to learn and practice the High Opt II system and mix it up with NBJ and WCB? By the way I'm back on the winning track. 3rd base strategy works fine where I am playing as long as you get out ON TIME (correction). I'm 12-4 in my last 16 outings including that infamous night that cut my earnings of that sequence in half.[/quote
Hey Ellis, Nighshifter does have a lot of experience under different conditions. He talks about the count and seems to know how to adjust. Do you consider it would be worth to learn and practice the High Opt II system and mix it up with NBJ and WCB? By the way I'm back on the winning track. 3rd base strategy works fine where I am playing as long as you get out on track. I'm 12-4 in my last 16 outings including that infamous night that cut my earnings of that sequence in half.
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