Users JackyWing Posted September 15, 2009 Users Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Hello All,I played a table where i lost significant amount of money, i was not able to guess any of the cards, there was a pattern but i was not able to guess it, to my opinion there is hi following hi, low following low & hi following low at the same time.hi-lo was a disaster, had low cards after the real count was +12 (twice).lost 2 rounds with my 21 because the dealer has a 21 :S.What is really stunning is how come around 80 % of the 4's are followed by 7's then followed by 10's ? same thing for the 2's 9's and 10's ...Is there anyway to predict the behavior of the one2six machine? there is definitely an algorithm, I saw the inside of the one2six machine there is around 50 slots for cards, all you need is a scanner and you can then draw the algorithm you wish.how can one predict the first card? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted September 15, 2009 Users Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Hello All,I played a table where i lost significant amount of money, i was not able to guess any of the cards, there was a pattern but i was not able to guess it, to my opinion there is hi following hi, low following low & hi following low at the same time.hi-lo was a disaster, had low cards after the real count was +12 (twice).lost 2 rounds with my 21 because the dealer has a 21 :S.What is really stunning is how come around 80 % of the 4's are followed by 7's then followed by 10's ? same thing for the 2's 9's and 10's ...Is there anyway to predict the behavior of the one2six machine? there is definitely an algorithm, I saw the inside of the one2six machine there is around 50 slots for cards, all you need is a scanner and you can then draw the algorithm you wish.how can one predict the first card?Hi Jacjy, excellent post.First, while there were other signs, on top of a bad shoe, when a dealer pushes your 21 twice in a row it is passed time to leave this table. You definitely over stayed your welcome. Whenever you don't feel comfortable with 19 its time to leave. Don't challenge a tough table. The object is to find an easy table.Second, stop counting! Not only is it useless in the shoe game. it prevents you from monitoring the important things in the game because you were too busy counting. The 4 thing was a freak of that game but 10,s often follow 7's. But 10's follow 2's so frequently that you are best off to regard a 2 as a 10.You didn't give me enough information to be sure but it sounds like highs were following highs about equally to lows following highs. That is random cards. In random cards your best position, by far, is third base because at third your cards are most like the dealer's. Play a 3 bet (never more) progression from 3rd. Start low like 1,1,2. Play basic strategy except only double on your very best double hands like 11 vs 6. Note how often you are losing 3 hands in a row. If its more than once a shoe leave that table. But if all goes well QUICKLY advance your prog to 123, then 134 and if all is still going well, 146.Now, if the cards are clumped: You will know because you'll see high counts in both directions. But you can tell quickly W/O counting because highs will be following highs a lot more than lows are following highs. In clumped cards play first base. Do not bet a prog. Advantage bet. You've got a lo bet and a hi bet. 1,2 will usually do the trick. Watch the last cards dealt in the prior round. When they are mostly lo bet your small bet. When they are high bet your high bet. You are betting on a first card ten. Don't play with more than 3 players. Head to head is best. If you are doing well predicting your first card tens, also start insurring against dealer Aces whenever the third base players 2nd card is a ten. You'll win more than half and they pay 2 to 1. OK, that's a little taste of NBJ. There is a whole lot more to learn whenever you've got $500 to spare. Meanwhile Rule #1 is NEVER stay in a losing game. Good luck from Ellis! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky-42 Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Hi Ellis Have you ever documented how to win against these things? I don't remember seeing anything like that? I don't have to deal with these in Montreal, but I was on a trip to Sweden and the only casino in town had exactly one table open and it had a one2six machine. I watched it for 2 hours and most of the rounds where low, but with 10s thrown in from time to time. Dealer was breaking 1 in 5 and making those magical hands. Table had 5-7 players, most of the time. The game could only have been 1 hour old when I started watching it. It didn't seem possible to win that game. I decided to go head to head on a newly opened table and had to quickly retreat as I almost didn't win any hands. After losing $50 (I was betting $5 a hand), I decided to leave this impossible to beat casino ... and they only had 3 tables open after being there for 3 hours.Rocky-42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users JackyWing Posted September 16, 2009 Author Users Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 hello Ellis,I definitely did not gave you all the information. hi was following hi's for instance 7 10's in a row, or 11 lo's in a row. then a switch comes and hi's follow lo's.what was really pissing me off, is the ability of the machine to produce the right cards for the dealer to have 21. for instance the dealer got 21 after 5 cards :|. 6 cards and he didn't bust :S.In the same casino on a similar table, with good players, we were able to make the dealer break many times.The thing is that I am not able to guess the switch from one pattern to another.There is definitely an algorithm for these machines, i searched a lot but it seems that nobody knows it.When you say a winning table, to my guess, it is the same table (if the machine is one2six) but for some extent the shoe was messed up that the dealer is not getting the right papers, for instance if you remove one player for a 7 players table, you will get some kind of unbalance then after a while it starts to give the dealer those magical hands.i wish currently i have 500 $ to spend. I will definitely be looking for getting that amount and then getting a membership. I think it is definitely worth it, but i cannot spend 500 currently, "Unemployed :S".Thanks!!Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky-42 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Hi JackyWing Well, the NBJ way would be to not play such a difficult game. Ideally, you should be looking to beat the easiest game in the casino. At the best time of the day (when you are at your best and when the casino is at the most vulnerable), find the best seat, in the best table, in the best pit, in the best casino, in the best casino town. Table selection pays handsomely. Take the time to find a good table. If everyone is getting killed, that's not a good sign. If the dealer is constantly making magical hands, that's not a good sign. If you can't ever win, that's not a good sign. Get out of there and find something easy to beat or go home or come back on a different day and time. If a particular game is not beatable, you shouldn't play, leave as fast as you can. Don't stay in a bad game. You need to find games that are beatable. If you don't have NBJ under your belt, most tables are hard to beat. Even with NBJ there will be times when all the tables are unbeatable (e.g. when tables are nearly all 7 players). If these machines seem unbeatable, then find hand shuffled games or MD1-type machine shuffled games. Well I could on, but maybe I'm revealing too many NBJ secrets. Sorry Ellis!Best Regards,Rocky-42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky-42 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Hi JackyWing About the patterns of hi card runs and low card runs; followed by hi/low/hi/low, well you should in general bet that the current pattern from the last few cards that have been played will persist. So your hit card, double downs and splits decisions should be affected by this information. You might know this already, but if you are seeing many high cards in a row, in many cases the next card will be high. If you are seeing many lows in a row, in many cases the next card will be low. If you are seeing alternating hi/low/hi/low then there is a good chance that this patten will continue (its called a zipper) for some time. If the cards seem really random at some points, well you can't predict the next card... When you read about these machines (in the patent applications), they make you believe that they are producing random cards, but random cards is the worst thing that could help the bottom line of the casino. It would appear that the algorithm could be tweaked to generate patterns that would be helpful to the dealer and unhelpful for the basic strategy players. They are trying to beat the basic strategy players (because they are 99% of their customers), so you need to be very aware of this.Best Regards,Rocky-42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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