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Since I can't find the system playing rules to S40A in a cohesive location, I tried to write them myself. Hopefully my interpretation is correct. I'd appreciate it if Ellis and or MVSeahog would look at it for technical correctness. Sorry about the "venting" about RD1, but it's the way I feel. I didn't cover the OR count or SAP since most people seem to understand that.

Summary of S40A

S40A is a baccarat playing system that incorporates four basic systems. It incorporates both the O/R count and sap count to guide us to the best playing method.

The Basic Systems

System 40 is a chop system. You primarily bet for the opposite to happen. A 1 stays a 1, a 2 stays a 2, a 3 stays a 3, and a 4 goes to a 5 and stays a 5. This is the default system and also called s40.4 or 4.4, and it loves 1s and 2s.

Assuming that you are using an u1d2m2 betting system, system 40 likes the zz runs (wins every bet), likes the tts (wins every other bet, netting a 1 unit gain), is neutral on threes, loses 4 bets to a 4 (totaling 10 units), loses 2 units to the 5, and 13 units to a 6. Obviously, we like to see lots of 1s and 2s, some 3s, no 4s, a couple of 5s and no 6s.

The system likes a strong positive OR count and one that stays within a tight range and then rises again. A declining or negative count is its nemesis. In order to adjust the system, we look at the culprit in the sap chart. If there are very few 3s, we make 3 the culprit. Then we win the 4s and 5s.

If we make 2s the culprit we have a streak system. We would still win all bets in a zz run and sporadic 1s and all bets in runs of 3 and 3+s. Sporadic 2s would not hurt, but the tts are devastating. 40.2 likes a negative or declining OR.

There is no discussion about making 1s the culprit, but you would then have a straight repeat system. You always lose to a 1 and beat everything else.

OTB4L is a neutral shoe system. It likes an OR count that is stagnant. It does not like choppy or streaky shoes. It likes shoes with lots of 2s and 3s. It wins every bet in the tts and handles sporadic 1s well when they occur with 2s and 3s. OTB4L is played by betting that the next outcome will be the opposite as two outcomes ago. When you have two losses in a row, you go otr. So, if you have a vertical run, after the 4 you would bet for a 5 and in a zz run you bet for 1s after either two or three ones (you may have won the first 1). If the shoe is low in 3s, you can make it the culprit and go otr after the 3.

F2/F3 is a streak system. This is a simple streak system that likes strong OR counts. If you are starting cold, bet under the side of the winning hand and stay there until a 2 develops on the opposite side. Use your sap chart to determine whether you should follow the 2 or the 3. You follow the one that is least common, thus you are switching sides less. If there are lots of 2s and 3s, this is the wrong system to use. OTB4L is probably the right one.

When you switch sides and lose the first bet, switch back and stay there until the next switch signal develops. This play keeps you from losing to a 2,2 or 3,3. Instead, you lose to the 2,1,2 (F2) or 3,1,3 (F3), if you are on the wrong side.

RD1 is a streak system that was originally designed for streaky shoes with lots of 2s and few 1s. It likes a negative OR count and all runs. It is a very simple system. You simply follow the prior shoe decision until a 1 appears. Then you make 2 bets under the 1 (this includes the loosing bet creating the 1). You also bet straight down under a loosing 2 when it follows a loosing bet under a 1. This can happen in column or cross column. Cross column would be p-bb-p; you now have the loosing bets under the player and second banker. In column would be p-b-pp-b; you now have the loosing bets under p and the third p. RD1 looses all bets to a 1,2,2,1 pattern and this is why I personally do not like this system. That is six bets in a row and four of those bets are in the 2s which, while perhaps not the most common event, a fairly common event and only two of the losses occur in the 1s which should be the LC. It would take a zz run of eight to lose six bets in a row, a very rare event, and by then I doubt that 1s would be LC.

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Since I can't find the system playing rules to S40A in a cohesive location, I tried to write them myself. Hopefully my interpretation is correct. I'd appreciate it if Ellis and or MVSeahog would look at it for technical correctness. Sorry about the "venting" about RD1, but it's the way I feel. I didn't cover the OR count or SAP since most people seem to understand that.

Summary of S40A

S40A is a baccarat playing system that incorporates four basic systems. It incorporates both the O/R count and sap count to guide us to the best playing method.

The Basic Systems

System 40 is a chop system. You primarily bet for the opposite to happen. A 1 stays a 1, a 2 stays a 2, a 3 stays a 3, and a 4 goes to a 5 and stays a 5. This is the default system and also called s40.4 or 4.4, and it loves 1s and 2s.

Assuming that you are using an u1d2m2 betting system, system 40 likes the zz runs (wins every bet), likes the tts (wins every other bet, netting a 1 unit gain), is neutral on threes, loses 4 bets to a 4 (totaling 10 units), loses 2 units to the 5, and 13 units to a 6. Obviously, we like to see lots of 1s and 2s, some 3s, no 4s, a couple of 5s and no 6s.

The system likes a strong positive OR count and one that stays within a tight range and then rises again. A declining or negative count is its nemesis. In order to adjust the system, we look at the culprit in the sap chart. If there are very few 3s, we make 3 the culprit. Then we win the 4s and 5s.

If we make 2s the culprit we have a streak system. We would still win all bets in a zz run and sporadic 1s and all bets in runs of 3 and 3+s. Sporadic 2s would not hurt, but the tts are devastating. 40.2 likes a negative or declining OR.

There is no discussion about making 1s the culprit, but you would then have a straight repeat system. You always lose to a 1 and beat everything else.

OTB4L is a neutral shoe system. It likes an OR count that is stagnant. It does not like choppy or streaky shoes. It likes shoes with lots of 2s and 3s. It wins every bet in the tts and handles sporadic 1s well when they occur with 2s and 3s. OTB4L is played by betting that the next outcome will be the same as two outcomes ago. When you have two losses in a row, you go otr. So, if you have a vertical run, after the 4 you would bet for a 5 and in a zz run you bet for 1s after either two or three ones (you may have won the first 1). If the shoe is low in 3s, you can make it the culprit and go otr after the 3.

F2/F3 is a streak system. This is a simple streak system that likes strong OR counts. If you are starting cold, bet under the side of the winning hand and stay there until a 2 develops on the opposite side. Use your sap chart to determine whether you should follow the 2 or the 3. You follow the one that is least common, thus you are switching sides less. If there are lots of 2s and 3s, this is the wrong system to use. OTB4L is probably the right one.

When you switch sides and lose the first bet, switch back and stay there until the next switch signal develops. This play keeps you from losing to a 2,2 or 3,3. Instead, you lose to the 2,1,2 (F2) or 3,1,3 (F3), if you are on the wrong side.

RD1 is a streak system that was originally designed for streaky shoes with lots of 2s and few 1s. It likes a negative OR count and all runs. It is a very simple system. You simply follow the prior shoe decision until a 1 appears. Then you make 2 bets under the 1 (this includes the loosing bet creating the 1). You also bet straight down under a loosing 2 when it follows a loosing bet under a 1. This can happen in column or cross column. Cross column would be p-bb-p; you now have the loosing bets under the player and second banker. In column would be p-b-pp-b; you now have the loosing bets under p and the third p. RD1 looses all bets to a 1,2,2,1 pattern and this is why I personally do not like this system. That is six bets in a row and four of those bets are in the 2s which, while perhaps not the most common event, a fairly common event and only two of the losses occur in the 1s which should be the LC. It would take a zz run of eight to lose six bets in a row, a very rare event, and by then I doubt that 1s would be LC.

An excellent summation! The only thing I see is that if 2's are LC, you would go to F2. Remember I said you would only play 40 with 2s LC if 40 was the only system you knew. The fact is that with 2s LC you can't lose with F2 no matter how choppy it gets. But 2s LC usually means streak.

RD1 is good but say it likes 2 OR MORES. I'm not following your last sentence. RD1 beats ZZ runs of 4 or more.

BTW you can fix the 2112s with RDN but then the losing pattern becomes the 212s which is even more common.

But good job! You could be a writer if you aren't already.

BTW#2: in a 1221 since I lost the 2 bets under the first 1, I don't make the 2 bets under the second 1. - Tricks of the trade.

We will likely be playing RD1 the least of the 4 but there are those runs following runs days where RD1 cleans up and it doesn't really matter if the runs are straight or ZZ. I've played Vegas when runs following runs was all you saw in every casino but its usually the rarest shoe type.

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