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In fact I talked to Paul Starr, the flat bettor, just a couple weeks ago after his last Las Vegas trip. He is still flat betting at $300 units. He has betting triggers figured out for 5 different Vegas casinos. He's been doing this for years. But, when he strayed from those 5 Vegas casinos and attempted a trip to a California casino, it was disasterous.

I have nothing against this style of flat betting particularly if you play off the wash at a casino where the morning card prep produces a dependable bias, which is quite common. But it isn't teachable. What works in one casino will likely not work in the next. It takes long hard detective work and extreme discipline.

Paul may bet as many as 30 times per shoe but judges his stop win and loss according to the quality of the shoe. The quality for HIM. But he has a specific trip goal he adheres to iron clad. Last trip he hit his trip goal the first day and got right back on the plane in spite of a 4 day comp. There aren't many that disciplined. A very serious pro.

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In fact I talked to Paul Starr, the flat bettor, just a couple weeks ago after his last Las Vegas trip. He is still flat betting at $300 units. He has betting triggers figured out for 5 different Vegas casinos. He's been doing this for years. But, when he strayed from those 5 Vegas casinos and attempted a trip to a California casino, it was disasterous.
Oh, so Paul Starr has what may be called "advantage bets?" So how come you ridiculed me for saying the same?
I have nothing against this style of flat betting particularly if you play off the wash at a casino where the morning card prep produces a dependable bias, which is quite common. But it isn't teachable. What works in one casino will likely not work in the next. It takes long hard detective work and extreme discipline.
The only things that are truly teachable are purely mechanical methods - which - don't work as you ahve stated many times.
Paul may bet as many as 30 times per shoe but judges his stop win and loss according to the quality of the shoe. The quality for HIM. But he has a specific trip goal he adheres to iron clad. Last trip he hit his trip goal the first day and got right back on the plane in spite of a 4 day comp. There aren't many that disciplined. A very serious pro.
I think this goes for everyone or are you insinuating that with S-40A you don't need to be quite so disciplined? Can S40A win without table selection, MM, and Stop W/L goals?

Also, regarding my deleted post above can you please explain my question about progressions? Is it not true that if a short progression like U1D2M2 going 4 or 5 deep works well then why the same progression going 6, 7, 8 or more deep won't work even better?

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In fact I talked to Paul Starr, the flat bettor, just a couple weeks ago after his last Las Vegas trip. He is still flat betting at $300 units. He has betting triggers figured out for 5 different Vegas casinos. He's been doing this for years. But, when he strayed from those 5 Vegas casinos and attempted a trip to a California casino, it was disasterous.
Anyway this is all mumbo jumbo. Here is why! Casinos chanage their shuffle habits and quipments all the time. Any reasonable person understands that there is not a common pattern that any single casino delivers for any length of time. To think that a particular casino has stayed with the same biased shuffle for "years" is just beyond logic.

It "may" be that certain shuffles at one time (before the sophisticated shuffle machines) were prone to exhibit predictable patterns but these days are over. What is more likely is that Paul wins flat bet or mostly flat bet the same way I do. Watching and guessing trends plus good MM and discipline.

As far as S40A goes it has been tested against thousands of live shoes and has shown not to produce a win - this with or without MM. So how do you teach winniing? What is the rule to switch methods, stop betting, only bet certain shoes when you see a certain pattern(s)?

It is just as you state above about Paul - 'not teachable."

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I didn't ridicule you for advantage bets. I ridiculed you for not defining them.

Paul's method works for him. I know I 've played with him frequently. It's unteachable because it changes from casino to casino. How can you teach that. It requires keeping up with what 5 different casinos are presenting. That's a full time job.

Keith and I recently closed another table. This was $100 big bac new cards every shoe. The card prep produced consistent OTB4L shoes. We won every shoe big time for two days straight, They closed the table down. There are still plenty of opportunities out there.

The S40A manual is not yet complete so I have no idea of what you were testing. Neither do you.

S40A is an in casino strategy based on what the casino is presenting. There is no way to test with a pile of out of context casino shoes. Its a table selection method.

If you are doing that great, stop lurking here and go play.

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