Users Echo4Wiske Posted February 10, 2012 Users Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Hello all, Im new to this forum, i have known about this place for a couple of weeks now.. When I first came across this site I tired to gather as much info about NOR as I could without buying the system :-P Big mistake!! I went to the casino with my limited knowledge and was up +6 units but eventually lost it all and more.. That was a few weeks ago.. So I decided to get access to the entire system and I have literally been reading and learning day and night... So today I finally went to the casino to see how much I have learned, and I was blown away at how wonderful this system works.. I posted my shoes.. I got greedy too late and ended up losing most of what I won.. I should have won back the cost of membership, but I didn't follow the rules and exercise cash management so my final winnings were not as much as they should've been.. I advise anybody who is on the fence about this system to jump over so you can start making money with Bac ASAP... Im so glad I found this site, I am going back to the casino bright and early tomorrow morning to win some more!!! Oh yea, I live in Detroit.. We have three casinos here, these shoes are from Motor City Casino.. I dont really like our MGM here, its kinda lame, it just feels like everyone is losing there so i stay out of there... Thanks again Ellis for your years of research and making my learning curve so short!!! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daytrader77459 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Hello, Echo,Nice job posting and trying out NOR for the first time! Congrats! Just a couple of things that may help you stay on the fast track of your learning curve:1. I prefer to write out what NOR system I am seeing - and starting with.2. Then I write out my betting scheme - usually begin 111 or 112. Then can escalate to 123, 234, 345 - if the shoe is giving out profits.3. I also try to write in the columns difficult areas of the shoe vs that specific NOR system.4. Finally I categorize the shoe as one of the NOR systems.I am a bit compulsive with recordkeeping and tracking bankroll equity - so I also organize my shoes on the basis of best NOR system, max negative drawdown to the bankroll from 0 unit (or maximum adverse excursion), max negative drawdown from my max profit in that shoe (or max drawdown). I usually want to get a good feel of what is my bankroll equity per shoe. I also focus on the first 8-9 plays I enter from - what is MC and LC as per the SAP format. Specifically I look for at least consistent MC and consistent LC - for 8 consecutive hands - before I make any plays. I try to make certain the shoe is as "stable" as recently possible immediately prior to my first bets.As Ellis has said repeatedly, a shoe that is not positive (or not stable - drifts from one NOR system to another - or drifts in LC and MC) for my bankroll after my first 20 plays is usually not a good shoe - and I can look to exit that shoe. Then I study and annotate and categorize that shoe for lessons learned.Good luck with your NOR plays. We all enjoy you sharing with us - helps our own learning curve get better! Regards,Daytrader77459 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Hello all, Im new to this forum, i have known about this place for a couple of weeks now.. When I first came across this site I tired to gather as much info about NOR as I could without buying the system :-P Big mistake!! I went to the casino with my limited knowledge and was up +6 units but eventually lost it all and more.. That was a few weeks ago.. So I decided to get access to the entire system and I have literally been reading and learning day and night... So today I finally went to the casino to see how much I have learned, and I was blown away at how wonderful this system works.. I posted my shoes.. I got greedy too late and ended up losing most of what I won.. I should have won back the cost of membership, but I didn't follow the rules and exercise cash management so my final winnings were not as much as they should've been.. I advise anybody who is on the fence about this system to jump over so you can start making money with Bac ASAP... Im so glad I found this site, I am going back to the casino bright and early tomorrow morning to win some more!!! Oh yea, I live in Detroit.. We have three casinos here, these shoes are from Motor City Casino.. I dont really like our MGM here, its kinda lame, it just feels like everyone is losing there so i stay out of there... Thanks again Ellis for your years of research and making my learning curve so short!!! :-)You're welcome Echo. The learning curve never flatens out completely. You can get better at this forever.Knowing how to win and winning are not quite the same thing. To our Baccarat knowledge we must add discipline and self control. We must learn to leave our emotions at home. We must learn how to attack but also how to retreat. How to know good conditions from bad conditions. How to be a Player rather than a gambler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users Echo4Wiske Posted February 12, 2012 Author Users Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Thx DayTrader and Ellis!! I appreciate the words of encouragement and I will keep your advice in mind whenever Im at the tables.. I have some questions about some shoes from my recent trips but I will address them in another thread.. Thx guys!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finas Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 Hi Daytrader,From previous threads, I know you are very dedicated to SAP. SAP columns:1s (I should write 1)2s ( 2)3s (4)4s + (4)Could you tell me where I can find SAP information, like:• If 1s is LC, which NOR system should I use?• If 1s is MC “ “ “ “ ?• If 2s is LC, etc.Something similar to that. As you know, sometimes, not sure which system to use, therefore, with SAP (additional information) can help us make a decision.Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 FinasSAP does not tell you which system to use. You still have to observe what the tote boardtells you. SAP is useful in making certain bets no matter which system you are in. So, forexample, if 3's are MC and you see a 2, SAP tells you to bet that the 2 will go to 3. This wouldoverride whatever the system said to bet. But after that bet you go right back to the system.This takes lots of practice - you must learn to play NOR flawlessly before taking on the extraburden of SAP. Please be patient. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 FinasSAP does not tell you which system to use. You still have to observe what the tote boardtells you. SAP is useful in making certain bets no matter which system you are in. So, forexample, if 3's are MC and you see a 2, SAP tells you to bet that the 2 will go to 3. This wouldoverride whatever the system said to bet. But after that bet you go right back to the system.This takes lots of practice - you must learn to play NOR flawlessly before taking on the extraburden of SAP. Please be patient. PaulVery well put, Paul! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryczy Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 It caused me to recall my question that nobody answered:"how to play the shoe at hand?"We all know MC,LC changed often times,so we do EC from the begining to the end or last XX EC or last XX play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I don't understand your question. Please put it in other words. What is XX and EC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I'm not sure I understand either jerry and I usually pride myself on deciphering foreign English. But, taking a stab, we do our SAP chart from the beginning of the shoe. There are no restarts - if that was your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finas Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Hi Paul,Thanks for the explanation. However, wondering where I can take a look of SAP info, I believe that one will help me sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryczy Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Sorry. EC= event count (That is not my invention)；XX=number of played.I don't understand your question. Please put it in other words. What is XX and EC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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