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[MVSeahog]

MVS, I think I'm understanding you. Check me out here. You are going to see the hit card whether you personally hit or not. But if you didn't hit, that card doesn't count in your hand. If somebody hits a second or third time, you see all the hit cards but they don't count in your hand if you didn't hit, right?

Yep, you've got it correct.

Now, here is the important question: Do they pick up the break cards first? When you break, if you are not the last player, do they pick up your broke hand immediately or do they wait and pick up your hand in turn.

I haven't been on the blackjack tables for awhile but I'll watch for how it goes the next time I'm in there.

How many decks or is it continuous shuffle?

I believe the pile looks like the same size as the bacccarat game. It is NOT a continuous shuffle game.

What happens if somebody questions a result? DO they ignore him or do they back deal the cards and show him like they do in a real casino?

I believe they do it like the baccarat game. If there is a question/problem then you email them the game number explaining what happened and they get back within 24 hours. I've had three "glitches" playing baccarat and all were resolved in that time frame.

Do they ever shuffle and start a new game?

Yes, a new game brings a new shuffle of the same cards. At least that was how it was done the last time I was in a BJ game.

Is there any way for you to know that all the cards are there or do you have to trust them?

I'm going by the size of the initial deck as compared to the baccarat deck size. They appear to be similar.

The main reason I got into this thread was to try to explain that unlike a "normal" blackjack table, if 6 people all request a "hit", then 6 cards come out. In the BPH game, only ONE card comes out for all of the "hit" requests each time.

MVS

[Guest]

The main reason I got into this thread was to try to explain that unlike a "normal" blackjack table, if 6 people all request a "hit", then 6 cards come out. In the BPH game, only ONE card comes out for all of the "hit" requests each time.

MVS

Right, as far as I can see thus far, I think it is the same as a casino game But I need to ask some more questions: Do you pick a seat or are all players playing the same spot?

Are there 7 spots or only one?

Edited July 29, 2012 by Guest

[MVSeahog]

Right, as far as I can see thus far, I think it is the same as a casino game But I need to ask some more questions: Do you pick a seat or are all players playing the same spot?

Are there 7 spots or only one?

Ellis,

Everybody sits at the same spot.

You can still jump in and play for free to test things out, which is what I did yesterday to make sure what I'm saying was still true.

Although the video is much better now, it is still a bit unnerving to see all the "stuff" in the background. Wires, cables, other tables, etc.

If I get over there today I'll grab a screen shot and post it up.

MVS

[MVSeahog]

Ellis,

OK, here's a quick screenshot from about 20 minutes ago to show a hand where the players took a card and the dealer busted.

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[Guest]

Ellis,

OK, here's a quick screenshot from about 20 minutes ago to show a hand where the players took a card and the dealer busted.

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Good work and thanks! Those are 6 deck shoes. But why are both color shoes on the table at the same time? If she is going to hand shuffle between shoes, what is the point of two colors? In real casinos, in hand shuffled games, they just stick with one color shoe. This way she must be careful to always use the right discard shoe. The extra complication can serve no legal purpose.

BUT, unless the screen shot is always on with NO interruptions, it gives the casino the opportunity to insert a ringer shoe. I see no purpose in two colors except to cheat. Why else bother with 2 color shoes in a game that only needs one? Why put themselves in question when one color would do the job? This makes no sense to me other than cheating???

I realize you guys aren't all experts but I am.

Does she, in fact, hand shuffle? Or is there a shuffle machine off camera? That would explain the Two colors. But it would not explain why the unused shoe is still on the table. It would be in the machine. So she MUST be hand shuffling, right? Then why two colors when only one is needed? This really scares me. Why present the appearance of cheating if you are not???

This BTW is why I don't play on line casinos. The old ones cheated rampantly. But what about the new ones??? Do we really know?

Edited July 30, 2012 by Guest

[Guest]

Speaking of cheating, check this out:

"ATLANTIC CITY -- Attorney General John J. Farmer, Jr. announced today that State Police assigned to the Division of Gaming Enforcement (DGE) arrested 13 people who were allegedly involved in a theft-by-deception scam in which they attempted to cheat the Claridge Casino Hotel out of more than $100,000.

During a three-month investigation, the State Police developed information that a number of men and women, most of Vietnamese descent, were planning a scam at the Claridge. The defendants' scam, which required the cooperation of the dealer, Tam Nhut Ho, 29, of Brigantine, was caught on surveillance as it was carried out Thursday.

"Scams such as the one attempted at the Claridge are extremely complicated, and I commend the fine police work of the detectives involved in the investigation," said Colonel Carson J. Dunbar, Jr., Superintendent of the New Jersey State Police.

The Attorney General said that in the scam, defendants Kevin Dung Ly, 32, of Somers Point and Dong Minh Pham, 34, of Atlantic City served as "recorders." They allegedly began playing Mini-Baccarat, betting at a low level and recording the cards played. It is common in the games of Baccarat and Mini-Baccarat to note the cards being played. When it was time to shuffle the cards, the men stopped playing and left the table. The dealer, Tam Nhut Ho, prepared a new shoe of cards, but performed a false shuffle, which gave those involved in the scam the ability to know how the cards would be dealt. Shortly thereafter, nine different "players" were seated at the table. Because the players allegedly knew the order the cards would be dealt, they bet large amounts on each hand - sometimes as high as $3,000. In the course of play, the defendants deceptively won more than $100,000 dollars.

Approximately two hours after the scam began, all nine players were arrested at the table, and State Police confiscated $90,000 in gaming chips and currency. The recorders and Ho, the dealer, were also arrested within the casino. Ky Van Pham, 47, who allegedly masterminded the operation, was arrested at his home in Brigantine.

"This type of crime may seem victimless, but it does great harm to the businesses targeted. The financial loss inflicted by scam artists who attempt such theft is significant, and I congratulate the State Police and the Division of Criminal Justice's Casino Prosecutions Bureau for the many hours of work that prevented the thieves from getting away with it," DGE Director John Peter Suarez said.

All defendants were charged with second degree theft by deception and second degree conspiracy. They were taken to Atlantic County jail, and bail was set at $50,000. The case will be prosecuted by the Division of Criminal Justice's Casino Prosecutions Bureau. Each count carries a penalty of 5-10 years New Jersey State Prison with a possible fine of up to $150,000." blah, blah, blah.

Edited July 30, 2012 by Guest

[Guest]

Here was my reply to that P.M.:

"Yeah, we've already discussed this scam recently on the forum. It is not complicated at all. Why must these complete idiots win every hand. Had they lost half the hands but bet a little more on the winning hands, they would never have been caught. They could have kept doing this forever. Now thay have put every casino on alert. All that is required is a fake shuffle and most dealers know how.

Also why is it that Player cheating always makes headlines but the far more common casino cheating never gets reported???"

I think last time it was a different A.C. casino, right?

At least the A.C. casinos as well as the NJ State Police should have reaction to this same scam down pat by now.

But how can these guys be so stupid??? They are embarrasing our side of the table. At least when we cheat, we don't get caught!

How can we cheat??? OK, one more time:

You are playing Baccarat at a full minibac table late on a Saturday night. You are sitting at the last position - the far right hand seat at the left hand of the dealer. (position#7)

You bet on P but B wins. Only do this when the player opposite you at the other end of the table wins.

The dealer immediately picks up your chips because you lost.

So you immediately put up a sizable (but not too big) bet on B while the dealer is figuring the commission at the other end of the table. She finally gets back to you after figuring all the commissions, sees your bet and pays you off.

So, would I ever do that?

Who, me?

Edited July 30, 2012 by Guest

[Guest]

Ellis,

Everybody sits at the same spot.

You can still jump in and play for free to test things out, which is what I did yesterday to make sure what I'm saying was still true.

Although the video is much better now, it is still a bit unnerving to see all the "stuff" in the background. Wires, cables, other tables, etc.

If I get over there today I'll grab a screen shot and post it up.

MVS

OK so its like head to head except sometimes when YOU don't hit you see the hit card anyway and maybe 2 or 3, right?

So you have a little less control over what you are feeding the dealer. BUT, you see more cards.

Sure, sometimes some idiot will take a 10 that would have broke the dealer. But I'm wondering if the advantage of seeing more cards outweighs the disadvantage of less control??? Interesting!

[Guest]

But getting back to Kingaries original question: Should I play BJ on line to avoid travel expenses?

Knowing what I know now, I would definitely say NO.

Recognize that this on line game they call BJ is completely different from real casino BJ whether we are talking head to head or multiple player.

I would have to develop a whole new strategy to beat it IF, in fact, it is beatable at all. It is a wholly different game altogether. They just call it BJ but it is totally different from real casino BJ.

And I'm not about to do that. Such a project could take years with no guarantee of a positive outcome. Life is too short. Especially mine! Sorry, but those are the facts and even then, there is the question of cheating. And we definitely have not resolved that at least to my satisfaction.

Edited July 30, 2012 by Guest

[MVSeahog]

Good work and thanks! Those are 6 deck shoes. But why are both color shoes on the table at the same time? If she is going to hand shuffle between shoes, what is the point of two colors? In real casinos, in hand shuffled games, they just stick with one color shoe. This way she must be careful to always use the right discard shoe. The extra complication can serve no legal purpose.

Ellis,

Well, they are hand shuffled shoes. I haven't sat through an entire shoe and shuffle to see what the "other color" shoe on the table is for. I have seen the local "pit boss" bring in a new shoe but it does get shuffled before being put into play.

If I can free up some time, I'll stick around and play a full shoe and see how they treat the two color decks.

MVS

[screamkevin26]

Hi Guys! Kevin here! I'm a newbie one and I want to enter some discussion about blackjack games. As far as I know Blackjack is a casino card game in which players compete against the house. The goal of Blackjack is to get as close to 21 as possible without going over. Blackjack is also the term used for an initial dealt hand of Ace and 10 card (10, J, Q, K). With a value of 21 a Blackjack is an automatic winner in the game Blackjack and is paid out at a higher ratio than a normal win (3:2 vs 2:1).

[Guest]

Hi Guys! Kevin here! I'm a newbie one and I want to enter some discussion about blackjack games. As far as I know Blackjack is a casino card game in which players compete against the house. The goal of Blackjack is to get as close to 21 as possible without going over. Blackjack is also the term used for an initial dealt hand of Ace and 10 card (10, J, Q, K). With a value of 21 a Blackjack is an automatic winner in the game Blackjack and is paid out at a higher ratio than a normal win (3:2 vs 2:1).

Well, so far so good except that the player doesn't always win with a BJ. The dealer can, and often does, tie your BJ. In BJ we call that a "push". In the case of a push, nobody wins and you get your bet back.

I suggest you pick up a basic BJ book at most any book store, on line, or at most any casino. Just don't get a card counting book. Get something very basic just to get the lingo down and the basic rules of the game.

On line BJ is different from true casino BJ. The differences seem minor but aren't.

Edited August 1, 2012 by Guest

[Guest]

Well first, Irina here is engaging in blatant copyright infringement which is a Federal crime here in the US.

Second, No card counting system works. They are all scams.

Third, No BJ method written on 2 sheets of paper works. BJ is far more complex than that. The idea is preposterous.

Sounds like a case of the blind leading the blind to me. There are no shortcuts.