kingkong Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Hi, everyone this is my first post so sorry about my writing haha but i want to share my story.Shoe1P 22112631351323312Shoe2P 211111231Shoe3B 2211112Shoe4P 21111131131222212132Here for the first shoe i started betting at play16 with OTB4L M2 then i play until play23 my profit is +5 unitShoe2 i started at play7 with S40 M3 and stop at play15 with profit of +4 unitShoe3 i started at play5 with OTB4L M3 and stop at play9 with lost of -6 unitShoe4 started at play 10 with OTB4L M3 and stop at play15 with lost of -6 unitSo that night i was down 3 unit+commission so im wondering how can i improve my play????Actually my target is 5 unit every shoes because im playing $200/unit and i noticed 1thing at $500 table there is a lot of ZZ and 4s so what the best system to beat that kind of shoes.Kingkong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted February 24, 2013 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Hello, King KongAssuming you live in Australia....love your forum " handle" ( stage name).... Ellis ( your Fay Wray) will have some easy answers to your post...If you have the NOR manual ( and I assume you do, since you are a registered NOR player), the answers to your questions are right in the manual...that's why it is so good...In the meantime, please, stay away from tall buildings...( they are your Baccarat nemesis...HA!)And if you ever want to trade houses for a week, Australia is on my " bucket list" , and you would feel right at home here in Destin, Florida!All the best...Best of luck to you!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Hi, everyone this is my first post so sorry about my writing haha but i want to share my story.Shoe1P 22112631351323312Shoe2P 211111231Shoe3B 2211112Shoe4P 21111131131222212132Here for the first shoe i started betting at play16 with OTB4L M2 then i play until play23 my profit is +5 unitShoe2 i started at play7 with S40 M3 and stop at play15 with profit of +4 unitShoe3 i started at play5 with OTB4L M3 and stop at play9 with lost of -6 unitShoe4 started at play 10 with OTB4L M3 and stop at play15 with lost of -6 unitSo that night i was down 3 unit+commission so im wondering how can i improve my play????Actually my target is 5 unit every shoes because im playing $200/unit and i noticed 1thing at $500 table there is a lot of ZZ and 4s so what the best system to beat that kind of shoes.KingkongOTB4L does not like ZZ runs. I'm seeing a lot of 3s compared to 4 or mores. You might try replaying your shoes with S40 Mode 3 U1D2. That will handle all the way up to a 7 in a row, even an 8. All bets are against the run except your 4th bet is otr.Also, look, you are seeing chop. That appears to be the name of the game at the tables you posted. Fine! Play it right from the beginning of the shoe. You are sitting there watching money go by. Replay your shoes with S40 M3 U1D2 starting right at play 2. Some casinos favor chop because they figure they can't lose much - especially Australian casinos. Prove them wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted February 24, 2013 Users Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Hi, everyone this is my first post so sorry about my writing haha but i want to share my story.Shoe1P 22112631351323312Shoe2P 211111231Shoe3B 2211112Shoe4P 21111131131222212132Here for the first shoe i started betting at play16 with OTB4L M2 then i play until play23 my profit is +5 unitShoe2 i started at play7 with S40 M3 and stop at play15 with profit of +4 unitShoe3 i started at play5 with OTB4L M3 and stop at play9 with lost of -6 unitShoe4 started at play 10 with OTB4L M3 and stop at play15 with lost of -6 unitSo that night i was down 3 unit+commission so im wondering how can i improve my play????Actually my target is 5 unit every shoes because im playing $200/unit and i noticed 1thing at $500 table there is a lot of ZZ and 4s so what the best system to beat that kind of shoes.KingkongI'm only a Newbie here ...so I'm not qualified to give advice at all...but I played your first shoe from the third hand with OTB4L M3 switching to NOR+ M1 at play 22 placing my 2 bet OTR ...and ended up with +17... I'm not sure I played it right...but I'm betting that Ellis will put us both straight...I think this is the time for me to remind Ellis that this is a "FRIENDLY" Forum and he isn't allowed to yell at me...lolBTW:Betting $200 units at this stage?...WOW...You make me feel like a pussy with my practicing with $1 units...lolSydney is my local Casino as well...No doubt we will meet up some time...but not on the $200 table...leastwise not till I get heaps more practiceTake care...and Good LuckOz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) I'm only a Newbie here ...so I'm not qualified to give advice at all...but I played your first shoe from the third hand with OTB4L M3 switching to NOR+ M1 at play 22 placing my 2 bet OTR ...and ended up with +17... I'm not sure I played it right...but I'm betting that Ellis will put us both straight...I think this is the time for me to remind Ellis that this is a "FRIENDLY" Forum and he isn't allowed to yell at me...lolWell right Oz, that works out in the first shoe because you never have more than 2 1's in a row. But look at the rest of the shoes. S40 M3 U1D2 only scores +7 in the first shoe but it kills the rest of the shoes. Edited February 24, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 The next best thing to picking the right system is to eliminate a wrong one. Here we can pretty much eliminate F. We don't have the supporting straight runs for F and we don't have a strong side. So the contest is really between OTB4L and S40. But as soon as we see a lot of ZZ runs, Bingo, S40 wins every bet in the ZZs. Then, as soon as we see lots of 3's, we know we are talking M3.Analysing a single shoe is fine. But analysing multiple shoes is better once they are available. It gives us an overview of what to play. A shoe trend is good. A table trend is better. A casino trend is best. And casino trends are common. Especially if you look at it from a time of day standpoint. One thing you can count on: Casinos are ALWAYS up to something! They will never be satisfied with commission alone. Our job is to figure out what they are up to and then beat them at their own game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted February 24, 2013 Users Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 The next best thing to picking the right system is to eliminate a wrong one. Here we can pretty much eliminate F. We don't have the supporting straight runs for F and we don't have a strong side. So the contest is really between OTB4L and S40. But as soon as we see a lot of ZZ runs, Bingo, S40 wins every bet in the ZZs. Then, as soon as we see lots of 3's, we know we are talking M3.Analysing a single shoe is fine. But analysing multiple shoes is better once they are available. It gives us an overview of what to play. A shoe trend is good. A table trend is better. A casino trend is best. And casino trends are common. Especially if you look at it from a time of day standpoint. One thing you can count on: Casinos are ALWAYS up to something! They will never be satisfied with commission alone. Our job is to figure out what they are up to and then beat them at their own game.With that sound advice ringing in my ears...I think I'll toddle off to the Sydney Casino sometime this week (just for a look see...not to frequent the $200 min table)lol...I've got a lot of learning to do first.BTW Ellis...You are doing a very good job of cultivating an "us against them mentality(them being Casinos)...You are getting me so worked up that I'm damn near ready to take up armsOz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted February 24, 2013 Users Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Well right Oz, that works out in the first shoe because you never have more than 2 1's in a row. But look at the rest of the shoes. S40 M3 U1D2 only scores +7 in the first shoe but it kills the rest of the shoes.OOPS!...I didn't even look at the other shoes...was mainly interested in how the first shoe would play out from the beginningEvery bit of advice you give is going into my computer like brain and absorbed (I wish)...Seriously...I'm taking copious notes on all advice offered by you and others on here...I remain convinced that I will get there in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingkong Posted February 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 OZ where do u live? Actually i live in Melbourne! I play at $200 table because 1. six is not half price:) 2. I think the more i play less shoes is better cz we have less chance to face hard shoe! 3. $200 so i can aim only 10 unit a day is good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingkong Posted February 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Thank u for ur replied Ellis. I think Aus casino they are up to something like u said. my point is early morning is seem like lots of choppy shoe but night time are different trends. i will try to play again next week and let u know. Wish me luck please. I dont need much only 10unit a day:)Kingkong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted February 24, 2013 Users Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 OZ where do u live? Actually i live in Melbourne! I play at $200 table because 1. six is not half price:) 2. I think the more i play less shoes is better cz we have less chance to face hard shoe! 3. $200 so i can aim only 10 unit a day is good enough for me.Hey mate...I'm an hour out of Sydney...Maybe we can meet up sometime soon (on one of your trips up here) Like minds etcJust curious...Do you play at the Melbourne Casino often?..and what are your thoughts?BTW: Sound reasoning...I didn't know about that crazy "6" ruling. As if Casinos don't make enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted February 24, 2013 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Hey mate...I'm an hour out of Sydney...Maybe we can meet up sometime soon (on one of your trips up here) Like minds etcJust curious...Do you play at the Melbourne Casino often?..and what are your thoughts?BTW: Sound reasoning...I didn't know about that crazy "6" ruling. As if Casinos don't make enough?This is why this Forum is so special... pretty soon, the WIZARD OF OZ AND tHE kING ARE GOING TO BE FAST FRIENDS...( AND PLAYING PARTNERS!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted February 24, 2013 Users Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 This is why this Forum is so special... pretty soon, the WIZARD OF OZ AND tHE kING ARE GOING TO BE FAST FRIENDS...( AND PLAYING PARTNERS!)Ha Ha...I hope so...He sounds like a decent enough fella...as for me?...Well...You can't have everything...lolThe biggest stumbling block may be my warped sense of humour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleInk Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Hi, everyone this is my first post so sorry about my writing haha but i want to share my story.Shoe1P 22112631351323312Shoe2P 211111231Shoe3B 2211112Shoe4P 21111131131222212132Here for the first shoe i started betting at play16 with OTB4L M2 then i play until play23 my profit is +5 unitShoe2 i started at play7 with S40 M3 and stop at play15 with profit of +4 unitShoe3 i started at play5 with OTB4L M3 and stop at play9 with lost of -6 unitShoe4 started at play 10 with OTB4L M3 and stop at play15 with lost of -6 unitSo that night i was down 3 unit+commission so im wondering how can i improve my play????Actually my target is 5 unit every shoes because im playing $200/unit and i noticed 1thing at $500 table there is a lot of ZZ and 4s so what the best system to beat that kind of shoes.KingkongKINGKONG,When i find myself needing to analyze quickly what would have been the best way to play a shoe I will analyze for a 345.Knowing that the nemesis of S40- Mode 2 is 3, S40-Mode 3 is 4, OTB4l- Mode 2 is 4 (Both straight and ZZ)OTB4l- Mode 3 is 5 (Both straight and ZZ)Looking at your first shoe there are no 4 straights - that would have had me thinking about S40-Mode 3. Couple that with the tendency that Ellis points out that biases will stay sometimes with a deck, a shoe or a casino. Would have had me playing S40-3 aggressively for the 2nd shoe. I would have jumped in at play 2 to 4. That S40-3 would have carried you thru the rest of the 4 shoes that you transcribed - easily.The first shoe gave you a valuable piece of information or as poker player Phil Helmuth says a "tell".Were these 4 shoes taken sporadically over a trip or in succession at the same table?BTW, your shoes are very stable compared to what I see here on the East Coast. But I know that also be simpy the calm in between the storm.Great post for your first post. Welcome to the forum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 KINGKONG,When i find myself needing to analyze quickly what would have been the best way to play a shoe I will analyze for a 345.Knowing that the nemesis of S40- Mode 2 is 3, S40-Mode 3 is 4, OTB4l- Mode 2 is 4 (Both straight and ZZ)OTB4l- Mode 3 is 5 (Both straight and ZZ)Looking at your first shoe there are no 4 straights - that would have had me thinking about S40-Mode 3. Couple that with the tendency that Ellis points out that biases will stay sometimes with a deck, a shoe or a casino. Would have had me playing S40-3 aggressively for the 2nd shoe. I would have jumped in at play 2 to 4. That S40-3 would have carried you thru the rest of the 4 shoes that you transcribed - easily.The first shoe gave you a valuable piece of information or as poker player Phil Helmuth says a "tell".Were these 4 shoes taken sporadically over a trip or in succession at the same table?BTW, your shoes are very stable compared to what I see here on the East Coast. But I know that also be simpy the calm in between the storm.Great post for your first post. Welcome to the forum.Right PurpleInk, welcome to the forum. Hmm, where have I heard that name before?An excellent analysis KINGKONG!PurpleInk, a little more experience and you'll realize S40 M3 U1D2 would have cleaned up in every shoe - There were no 4s. But that is why you're here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted March 1, 2013 Users Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 KINGKONG,When i find myself needing to analyze quickly what would have been the best way to play a shoe I will analyze for a 345.Knowing that the nemesis of S40- Mode 2 is 3, S40-Mode 3 is 4, OTB4l- Mode 2 is 4 (Both straight and ZZ)OTB4l- Mode 3 is 5 (Both straight and ZZ)Looking at your first shoe there are no 4 straights - that would have had me thinking about S40-Mode 3. Couple that with the tendency that Ellis points out that biases will stay sometimes with a deck, a shoe or a casino. Would have had me playing S40-3 aggressively for the 2nd shoe. I would have jumped in at play 2 to 4. That S40-3 would have carried you thru the rest of the 4 shoes that you transcribed - easily.The first shoe gave you a valuable piece of information or as poker player Phil Helmuth says a "tell".Were these 4 shoes taken sporadically over a trip or in succession at the same table?BTW, your shoes are very stable compared to what I see here on the East Coast. But I know that also be simpy the calm in between the storm.Great post for your first post. Welcome to the forum.Very helpful post...I'll be heading off to the same Casino soon...and it will be interesting to see how the shoes run.Thanks for your input.Oz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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