Need help with F style.

[Tlam62]

Hi Mr.Davis,

I need some guidance on playing F style; I found myself having problem with it either to identify the F shoe or playing it. Here are my questions regarding F style:

1- At the very beginning of the shoe where- for instance- it started with PBBB, which is -1, should i decide to use F style because the manual says F like 21s and 31s ? And just for my curiosity, you said you usually start your shoe right at the second hand, how can you do that as the shoe had no history yet for table selection purpose?

2-As my understanding, you stay on the run until it loses and keep staying on the same side for 1more(M2) 2more (M3). Let say i am in M2 and using 123 prog, and was on the run then it broke, my next bet will be staying at the same side still but should i treat it as the second on money progression by betting 2 units?, or should i treat it as it first start again and bet only 1 unit? Another word, i am confusing of how to do with money progression on F.

3- Also was on M2 of F, how long would you stay on the ZZ run? And how soon should you follow the ZZ run? I am not sure have i done it correctly but here is what I did : BBB P B , I read this as 3 ZZ on the row so my next play was placed on P. Please tell me if it right or wrong.

Thank you Mr. Davis, I wish you in good health always.

[Guest]

Hi Mr.Davis,

I need some guidance on playing F style; I found myself having problem with it either to identify the F shoe or playing it. Here are my questions regarding F style:

1- At the very beginning of the shoe where- for instance- it started with PBBB, which is -1, should i decide to use F style because the manual says F like 21s and 31s ? And just for my curiosity, you said you usually start your shoe right at the second hand, how can you do that as the shoe had no history yet for table selection purpose?

2-As my understanding, you stay on the run until it loses and keep staying on the same side for 1more(M2) 2more (M3). Let say i am in M2 and using 123 prog, and was on the run then it broke, my next bet will be staying at the same side still but should i treat it as the second on money progression by betting 2 units?, or should i treat it as it first start again and bet only 1 unit? Another word, i am confusing of how to do with money progression on F.

3- Also was on M2 of F, how long would you stay on the ZZ run? And how soon should you follow the ZZ run? I am not sure have i done it correctly but here is what I did : BBB P B , I read this as 3 ZZ on the row so my next play was placed on P. Please tell me if it right or wrong.

Thank you Mr. Davis, I wish you in good health always.

You are so polite. That is refreshing - especially this morning.

F means Follow

F2 means follow the 2 - you bet on the side that has the most recent 2 and stay on that side until there is a 2 on the other side. Hence Follow the 2.

F3 means the same thing except follow the most recent 3 and stay on that side until there is a 3 on the other side.

F2 is best in shoes low in 2s

F3 is best in shoes low in 3s.

F is therefore the simplest system in Baccarat.

Both F2 and F3 beat ZZ runs because a ZZ run NEVER causes you to change sides. You sit there losing your 1 and winning your 2 - which is good. So F2 and 3 both like ZZ runs.

A TT run is nothing more than a bunch of 2s in a row. The 2s would simply switch you to F3 which beats the TTs.

So both beat 1's.

F3 beats 2s

F2 beats 3s

They both beat 4 or mores.

That is all the events there are in Baccarat.

BUT, F prefers a strong sided shoe because it always puts you on the strong side.

And it prefers streaky shoes because you win every bet in long straight runs and every other bet in the ZZs.

So F beats nearly any shoe all by itself. It is just that with some shoes S40 or OTB4L beats them better.

The only thing the least bit tricky about F is when you change sides and lose the first bet, you change right back to your original side. HOWEVER, if that ploy isn't working in the shoe you are playing, stop doing it.

Yes P BBB is a good F start. You wait for a 2 in a row and bet right under it. So in this case your first bet would be B at play 4.

So your score is +1.

You don't need to be talking about otr with F because F always bets otr on straight runs (the longer the better) and it always stays on the same side in ZZs. See that?

We usually start an F shoe with F2 until that proves to be wrong (high 2s)

BBB P B You start under the first 2 so your first bet is 1 on B at play 3. You stay on the B side because P has yet to produce a 2. So your score is +2 at play 5. Very good!

With F2 we usually bet a 123

With F3 we need a 1234

But if doing well we can switch to U1D2.

But also with F, especially F2, in very streaky shoes with long straight runs, we find ourselves winning a lot of 1 bets. Fine, simply change your prog to 234 and if all goes well change again to 345. If the shoe stays streaky, you'll kill it.

That should answer all your questions but if not, keep asking. That is what I'm here for.

Edited March 4, 2013 by Guest

[bluetri]

That explaination of F is even clearer than the NOR manual, good stuff!

[Tlam62]

Thank you Mr.Davis for answering my post in such a short time. I pretty much got a clearer idea of playing F now, but however, let me sum-up my understanding on it and hope you don't mind to scan it again to make sure I got it right.

On any style i am playing, I should always remember to use either one of the 2 modes.(for now ). And as F style prefers SS or streaky shoe, I should only follow the ZZ run for one time in Mode 3 and 2 times in M2(with the condition of winning the first otr of ZZ ). With F M2 I will use 123 progression, and 1234 with M3. What about I was successfully on the long run for a while then it broke, should my next bet will automaticly go to 2 units bet, or should bet 1 unit starting all over again?( minus the fact you have told me before that unless you won your first bet you won't go up on the money prog)?. I guess I should continue with the next prog since I already won a few bets OTR , right? Until i reach the max prog accordingly then i should go back to the 1 unit bet doesn't matter I have won or lost the third bet (M2), or the 4Th bet (M3).

Lately, I saw a lot of 3 and 4 iar in the casino and the sudden changes from streak to chop, in that case should I change style or keep on for a while, do you have any preference. I know you said you rarely change style once you decided to play the shoe, but that is for the Pros, and i am not yet one. Also, I think you forgot one of my curiosity question: how you can decide to play on play 2 of the shoe at when it didn't have the history just yet? May be that id your earned strong sense after so many years of experience. I like to get in after 4 plays and would love to get out as soon as possible(before play 60), I often not doing well toward the end of the shoe for some reasons.

Mr.Davis, one day I would love to meet you in person , so if you ever decide to come to play at the Hard Rock in Tampa please let me know, i will be there no matter what. Again, thank you for your quick reply, and thank you bluetri too for paying attention for newbee like me. I appreciated you all.

[MVSeahog]

F means Follow

F2 means follow the 2 - you bet on the side that has the most recent 2 and stay on that side until there is a 2 on the other side. Hence Follow the 2.

F3 means the same thing except follow the most recent 3 and stay on that side until there is a 3 on the other side.

F2 is best in shoes low in 2s

F3 is best in shoes low in 3s.

F is therefore the simplest system in Baccarat.

Both F2 and F3 beat ZZ runs because a ZZ run NEVER causes you to change sides. You sit there losing your 1 and winning your 2 - which is good. So F2 and 3 both like ZZ runs.

A TT run is nothing more than a bunch of 2s in a row. The 2s would simply switch you to F3 which beats the TTs.

So both beat 1's.

F3 beats 2s

F2 beats 3s

They both beat 4 or mores.

That is all the events there are in Baccarat.

Chief,

Now that says a LOT in a short amount of time.

That's a keeper!

MVS