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[trellw22]

Hi All, My name is Marty. I'm new to the forum and new to Nor. I'm in northern California and im 23 years old. I have been reading the manual over and over and I think I have been getting a good grasp on it. I have been visiting a local casino here in Sacramento called Lotus Casino it's really small but it has 5 baccarat tables it's EZ baccarat with the dragon and panda bets. I have been trying to practice otb4l doing free practice on my scorecard (I want to be able to beat the shoe free before using real $) but I keep losing to zz and straight runs. Anyone have any ideas? Also if anyone is in Northern California or California let me know maybe we can play somewhere.

Thanks in Advance

Marty

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Hi All, My name is Marty. I'm new to the forum and new to Nor. I'm in northern California and im 23 years old. I have been reading the manual over and over and I think I have been getting a good grasp on it. I have been visiting a local casino here in Sacramento called Lotus Casino it's really small but it has 5 baccarat tables it's EZ baccarat with the dragon and panda bets. I have been trying to practice otb4l doing free practice on my scorecard (I want to be able to beat the shoe free before using real $) but I keep losing to zz and straight runs. Anyone have any ideas? Also if anyone is in Northern California or California let me know maybe we can play somewhere.

Thanks in Advance

Marty

Marty, you can't just bet the OTB4L routine. You must apply your modes using the 3rd bet rule - all in your manual. Also go to thread RE: NOR+ post number 543.

Your studies have barely begun and you'll be quite confused throughout a short learning curve. Everyone starts out that way. But at least you figured out how to ask questions.

BTW, forget about dragon, panda and tie bets. Those are for the suckers, not for pros. But EZ Bac is fine. Just recognize that you ARE paying commission.

Stay out of casinos until you know what you are doing. Then pay no attention to what the other players are doing - they lose.

You'll need to read your NOR manual many times and practice all 3 NOR systems until they become automatic. Then learn NOR+.

[trellw22]

Marty, you can't just bet the OTB4L routine. You must apply your modes using the 3rd bet rule - all in your manual. Also go to thread RE: NOR+ post number 543.

Your studies have barely begun and you'll be quite confused throughout a short learning curve. Everyone starts out that way. But at least you figured out how to ask questions.

BTW, forget about dragon, panda and tie bets. Those are for the suckers, not for pros. But EZ Bac is fine. Just recognize that you ARE paying commission.

Stay out of casinos until you know what you are doing. Then pay no attention to what the other players are doing - they lose.

You'll need to read your NOR manual many times and practice all 3 NOR systems until they become automatic. Then learn NOR+.

Funny you say that because I seen so many ppl lose yesterday it was almost sad. This one guy bet a $1000 on banker and lost TWICE!! then left the casino. Good example of what not to do. So Ellis do you think it's a good idea to write the shoes down on a scorecard from the casino then practice them at home with the different systems or what do you think is the best way to practice? Also didn't you say all Nor+ is, is Nor with U1D2 betting? and can you explain what U1D2 betting is..thx

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Funny you say that because I seen so many ppl lose yesterday it was almost sad. This one guy bet a $1000 on banker and lost TWICE!! then left the casino. Good example of what not to do. So Ellis do you think it's a good idea to write the shoes down on a scorecard from the casino then practice them at home with the different systems or what do you think is the best way to practice? Also didn't you say all Nor+ is, is Nor with U1D2 betting? and can you explain what U1D2 betting is..thx

Well, I may have been over simplifying NOR+ a little with that description but it is basically correct. Where students have trouble with it is applying the 3rd bet rule to the new U1D2 NOR+ betting strategy - Up 1 when you lose and Down 2 when you win except don't go below 1.

This is probably the safest betting strategy there is in all of gambling. You might think flat betting is safer. Not when you consider the whole idea of gambling is to win money. The mathematical odds of Baccarat are 50/50, then you owe commission. So, the odds of flat betting are 50/50. But if you achieve those odds you still haven't made any money but you owe commission. Whereas if you win half your bets with U1D2, you win a whole bunch of money and commission is only a tiny fraction of what you win. See that? So when you follow the math all the way through, my math tells me that U1D2 is the safest way to achieve your objective.

I know you are a college student and I remember that math is not your best subject. Don't worry about that. YOU don't need to know math to play. But I need to know math to teach you the BEST WAY to play. And when it comes to gambling math, I'm the best there is.

Yes, absolutely! You should copy as many complete shoes from your casino as you can - just don't play - not yet. We have plenty of shoes here on the forum you can practice with. One of our experienced members just posted 60 more. And you can get practice shoes from LIVE Baccarat sites on the internet. BUT, your most important practice will be shoes directly from your target casino. Every casino is different. They all have different casino strategies and different rules. You aren't going to Vegas any time soon. Your mission right now is to beat ONE casino - your target casino. So the more shoes you can get from them the better off you are. ALSO, be sure to note the day of the week and especially the time of day on each score card. That information will become very strategic once you know how to use it.

Also, you need to learn their schedule of when they come out with new cards. And, very important - Do the new cards come to the table in a bundle of 8 preshuffled decks or do they come in 8 individual sealed decks and go through a "card prep". Hey, it's like casing a bank you intend to rob - same difference. Your mission is to take THAT casino's money. You are not a fun player any more. You are studying to become a professional. The sooner you start thinking like a professional, the better off you will be. Sure, we joke around on the forum sometimes BUT when it comes to betting our hard earned money at a Bac table the joking is over. We are there for one purpose and one purpose only - to take their money.

Now, you have a lot of studying to do. But everything you need to become a professional player is right here on these pages. Sure, you have to give the college its just do. But you need to devote time to us, too. Maybe they can make you some money. Maybe! But I KNOW I can - IF you do your part and do it well. You are MY student now. And I have a LOT to teach you. So get to your studies. You are on the first rung of a very high ladder. The top is out of sight for you right now. But it won't be out of sight forever - not if you do your part.

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Funny you say that because I seen so many ppl lose yesterday it was almost sad. This one guy bet a $1000 on banker and lost TWICE!! then left the casino. Good example of what not to do. So Ellis do you think it's a good idea to write the shoes down on a scorecard from the casino then practice them at home with the different systems or what do you think is the best way to practice? Also didn't you say all Nor+ is, is Nor with U1D2 betting? and can you explain what U1D2 betting is..thx

Oh and BTW Marty, gambling IS "sad" - Until you know what you are doing. The object is to make the casino sad.

And right, people do very stupid stuff in casinos. They don't know any better. But you soon WILL.

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And BTW Marty, you are at a college. Other students will be interested in this. But be careful because most won't be. To them, gambling talk is about the most boring subject there is. There is no faster way to empty out a whole bar than to start talking about gambling. But to a select few, it turns them on. We pay hefty commission you know. And all college students need money! Just don't let that take time away from your studies. Your studies are first - both for the college and for me. But.....

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And one last thing Marty - Welcome to the group!

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Oh and stop calling me. The answers are here, not on your cell phone. I need all the time I have to devote to my students.

[trellw22]

Thanks for the wisdom Ellis I will definitely find out about the card prep situation today. Also I will find any info I need on the forums from now on lol. Could anyone go over these two shoes using Nor or Nor+. These are practice shoes I did from my local casino. The first I used basic Nor otb4l starting from play 2 and got all the way up to +14 by play 22 but after hitting +10 for the third time I would of quit there with profit. The second shoe I also used otb4l starting at play 4 but that didn't work out for me so well as I ended up -6 by play 18 and would have quit there. Looking at it now I think I would have used F3, any thoughts?

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Also about table and starting selection. Sometimes I'll see a tote board that reads a really good otb4l shoe then by the next shoe it's really choppy. And vice versa. So ohow should I go about starting a shoe if the last ne was very biased for one specific system?

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Thanks for the wisdom Ellis I will definitely find out about the card prep situation today. Also I will find any info I need on the forums from now on lol. Could anyone go over these two shoes using Nor or Nor+. These are practice shoes I did from my local casino. The first I used basic Nor otb4l starting from play 2 and got all the way up to +14 by play 22 but after hitting +10 for the third time I would of quit there with profit. The second shoe I also used otb4l starting at play 4 but that didn't work out for me so well as I ended up -6 by play 18 and would have quit there. Looking at it now I think I would have used F3, any thoughts?

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Ha, with a little experience, F will be about the furthest thing from your mind with this shoe. There is no SS (Strong Side) plus it is choppy. F is a streak system. 2s but especially 2s mixed with 3s and single or double 1's is very clearly OTB4L. Starting at play 2 with OTB4LM3 U1D2 per the NOR+ rules, you are already at +13 at play 20. (We play in cols of 20.) You hit your stop win of +20 at play 47. This is in the 3rd col. so you should definitely quit at +20. But if you defy that rule, you'll see that you hit +21 for the 2nd time at play 53. That is screaming QUIT at you and if you don't, you are going to be sorry. The Baccarat gods will get you!

Anybody on this forum will be totally happy with +20 and your highest bet was only 4 - a perfect shoe.

Your PA was a very respectable 26%! By the book NOR+.

Also about table and starting selection. Sometimes I'll see a tote board that reads a really good otb4l shoe then by the next shoe it's really choppy. And vice versa. So how should I go about starting a shoe if the last ne was very biased for one specific system?

Very carefully if the cards are factory preshuffled. You want to actually see shoe to shoe consistency BEFORE you start betting on it. Sometimes you get it but sometimes you don't. That is why we have a very tight -8 stop loss - perhaps the lowest stop loss in Baccarat. And we also have a rule that says you don't bet 2 before winning a 1 bet. This greatly reduces your exposure when starting new shoes But with a little experience you will soon see that this was a great shoe and an automatic +20 for any experienced player on this forum playing NOR+.