Time for better Guidelines and some long needed Changes

[Ice Cool Sam]

Ladies and Gents,

I don't want to talk this forum down. Swear to god I am trying to help and make it better. I believe it can work but please read below.

I hope this will help the new future comers like me to be able to get a better start. I hope this threat is not deleted and allowed to be seen.

So I paid the 600 dollars (which for me at this stage of life was quiet a large sum), I downloaded the manual, read it twice and then I AM STALLED.

Where next?? which system? What is ADOT and RD1 about? it wasn't even mentioned in the manual.

at the moment there are 5529 posts in Universal Baccarat, 351 in ADOT, 252 in RD1, 5928 in NOR Forum, 34 in Boot camp, 70 in NOR|SAP forum, 560 in 4D and 845 in coffee talk lounge. forget about the public Baccarat and we will leave out the coffee talk lounge stuff. that's 12724 (as I am writing this post) posts that I have to read apparently to just understand what is going on.

I know Baccarat is not easy and nor is becoming a pro. BUT at least if we could get a flow chart that said what to do when new comers like me finished the manual (The manual is screaming for an update which includes more visual charts and graphs and also and index or glossary of terms and abbreviations).

The problem is you pro's think we know (or should know it as well.) but the truth is we DON'T.

So please can I ask Davis or Keith to come up with a flowchart or an orderly list which says what to do after finishing the manual because right now I feel so lost. I really mean this.

I think we are all here to do this right. I am assuming that most people who have joined this forum have lost enough of time, money and energy on baccarat to be going through trial and error again so PLEASE HELP US. GUIDE us which chapter and where to study next.

I know not everyone who joins this forum has an IQ as low as mine but please excuse me for that and lets get a systematic approach in place which can fast track the learning of new comers.

Kind Regards

Sambo

[Guest]

Well Sambo, we had those instructions posted but apparently they either vanished or are too hard to find. So I'll post a new thread in the NOR forum entitled. NEW BACCARAT MEMBERS START HERE and give you simple and direct instructions on how to get started. All new members start out in the same state of confusion you are in right now. We could delete threads that have become mostly extraneous but when we have done that in the past we always get complaints.

[pipecub]

This just boost the morale of members and for those getting NOR soon :)thanks Clifton for the update

[trbfla]

Sambo.... Been there still do that at times....from my experience you gotta dive right in...read, practice, read some more...practice even more....I talk to pros here who tell me they often go back and reread old post....then practice more....ASK QUESTIONS....the members here who have been here for years are awesome and so very giving of their time and their understandings...they too are here to help. That's what makes BTC so special ....people actually want to help others cause theyve been where you and I are.....then one day 4 years from now it will be our turn to give back......

[DarkValefor]

sam even when you have got it the Constance wining method, each and every time you look back at your record you will find that if you add this add that it could be better, i am the last every exam in class when small, then i was 1st every exam in class at high school, is all about momentum the more you practice the more you think, the iq or knowledge will snowball.

[Ice Cool Sam]

That would be awsome.

If it could be topped up with one of the webinars (the video) then that can help us newbies to be able to progress a lot faster.

I don't want to jump from setp 1 to 10 but right now it's quiet difficult to make sense of things.

Thanks a lot Davis.

Please let us know when this thread is up.

Thanks again

[Ice Cool Sam]

Sambo.... Been there still do that at times....from my experience you gotta dive right in...read, practice, read some more...practice even more....I talk to pros here who tell me they often go back and reread old post....then practice more....ASK QUESTIONS....the members here who have been here for years are awesome and so very giving of their time and their understandings...they too are here to help. That's what makes BTC so special ....people actually want to help others cause theyve been where you and I are.....then one day 4 years from now it will be our turn to give back......

Trbfla

What you say is completely right. No arguments about that.

But whats really important in the beginning of any learning process is some sort of a guidline which can put you in the correct path and then obviously there be a lot of questions asked.

As a newbie it's so hard right now to find your way around.

Thanks again

[pipecub]

I think what players wants from consistency in returns is very much an illusion in gaming environment...think of that player who won 15 million in 3 casinos...is that consistent?I rather have that than consistently winning 1k a week

[DarkValefor]

right pipecub that is a good way to stay under radar and to start with, killing them one time big is no fun, sucking them bit by bit is more exciting.

[Gil]

Sambo,

You are correct on what you say. I find myself in the same situation. When you buy the 23 page Manual, you are getting the key to enter the room. It then becomes like panning for gold. You have to read all the different threads to find answers to your questions. All I can say is keep plugging away. If unable to find the answer to your question, call Mr. Davis, He answers all questions. I understand that there is a filter to assist in your search for information. I am still looking for said filter.

Gil

[MillionBac]

Hi Ellis,

Like Sambo I am a new member. I've read the manual and looking for more guidance. Please direct us to these instructions. Have not found "NEW BACCARAT MEMBERS START HERE" in the forum.

Thanks.

[BigVic]

Millionbac, You might as well spit into the wind. You're just going to have to spend a lot of time going through threads to find what you need.

[Guest]

Hi Ellis,

Like Sambo I am a new member. I've read the manual and looking for more guidance. Please direct us to these instructions. Have not found "NEW BACCARAT MEMBERS START HERE" in the forum.

Thanks.

Go to the front page table of contents. Hit Baccarat. Hit NOR. Hit New Members Start Here. Go back to the first post on page 1.

Everything you need to know is in your NOR manual EXCEPT:

S40M1 - I think that is a better way than F to approach streaky shoes with long runs on both sides. But F is best for Strong Side.

and:

Using the OR count instead of the 3rd bet rule to determine mode. There is a Webinar on that. I think the OR count is a more consistent way to determine mode: Basically + = Mode 3. - or 0 = Mode 2.

[PeterUK]

For the $600 you paid for the NOR, you've acquired a real bargain with a wealth of knowledge... Including access to the dynamic Forum with participants.

If you look at the many courses out there that claim to teach you something, especially in business can cost you in the $1000's, plus coaching sessions worth over $300 per 30 min sessions at etc....

Psychology is an important factor to learning, playing and thinking... And when you start complaining about the cost of things and not really seeing the true value of knowledge or etc, you are limiting your mindset in to expecting to having things come to you, instead of seeking further answer from a starting point I.e. After reading the manual, go to the forum, ask questions, practice, developing a new discipline and etc...

If you're thinking of Playing Baccarat as a means of generating income, treat it like a business, you have to invest in it with you time and money within reason.

My example: As well as with Beat The Casino, I've invested thousand in to opening the doors of getting into Stocks & Shares, and FOREX trading, developing a new mindset and I'm now getting to know people and things in the trade that I would not have gotten into if I had not put my own capital into it, sounds daunting at first i.e. I've invested over £10k and I'll be getting a £50k live trading account in return to work with and receive 60% of any profit I make per quarter, plus a wealth of knowledge I'll be acquiring along the way... This is now my profession and any winnings I make using the teachings from BTC will go into my trading account rather then sitting in a bank account. Guess what the bank does with your money? They trade it, make over 5% yield per month and give you less than 0.5% back...

Your return on investment through paying for the Manual, seminars and etc, and learning the BTC system through practice, will be very good if you put in the time, correct attitude and mindset, the only limit is whatever you put up/ place in the way.

I'll post a few articles on Money and Emotions... Now £10k is a lot of money and my savings, but I see it as a tool which I've used to leverage my return.

Hope this all makes sense

Peter