# New nor flow chart

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Hi Ellis and my fellow NOR players. My boyfreind Dr. Ken is helping me study my new NOR manual. He has prepared this "NOR FLOW CHART" to assist me when I am playing live in a casino. It shall be made as small as a playing card, laminated and easily refernced during table play since our iPhones are not allowed in use at a baccarat table.

Would you all be so kind as to critique this flow chart and send me any helpful improvements to the chart so we may perfect it before using it ourselves or posting it for others to use.

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You may wish to examine some of the more recent comments about using the O/R count to decide modes rather than losses, and some of Ellis' more recent comments about the proper starting modes for each of the three systems.

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You may wish to examine some of the more recent comments about using the O/R count to decide modes rather than losses, and some of Ellis' more recent comments about the proper starting modes for each of the three systems.

Correct! Plus, we are finding that you are better off to use the OR count to determine mode throughout the shoe rather than the 3rd bet rule, especially, for OTB4L which most find that they are playing the most often. In fact you could say that OTB4L is our default system for NOR.

Using the OR count to determine mode tends to keep you in the same mode far more often than the 3rd bet rule. It solves the problem of the 3rd bet rule when it has you continuously changing modes. The problem of continuously changing modes is you can be wrong EVERY time. Using the OR count to determine mode makes you right more than half the time which, in fact, is the object of the game. Using the OR count to determine mode is a huge improvement to NOR. We are just beginning to see the tremendous value of it.

A - or 0 OR count is Mode 2 which gets you on runs earlier while eliminating the scary 4 bet.

A + OR count is mode 3 because of the shortage of runs. Why bet on them when they are scarce?

See the logic?

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Thank you for your excellent comments. Can you tell me the title of the thread heading where I may find the information you are suggesting as there are SO many threads and conversations posted. Thank you again.

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Thank you for your excellent comments. Can you tell me the title of the thread heading where I may find the information you are suggesting as there are SO many threads and conversations posted. Thank you again.

See below! Post#3.

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Hi Ellis and my fellow NOR players. My boyfreind Dr. Ken is helping me study my new NOR manual. He has prepared this "NOR FLOW CHART" to assist me when I am playing live in a casino. It shall be made as small as a playing card, laminated and easily refernced during table play since our iPhones are not allowed in use at a baccarat table.

Would you all be so kind as to critique this flow chart and send me any helpful improvements to the chart so we may perfect it before using it ourselves or posting it for others to use.

Holy Cow! Your boyfriend is a keeper!

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Got it, thank you.

Yes he IS!!!

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Ellis, can you please see 2 questions I posted for you on the thread titled "Tracey's Casino Niagara Shoe" post number 27. My questions are about changeing systems during a shoe. My manual suggests I SHOULD change systems as I am supposed to listen and watch what the shoe is telling ME. In the sample shoe #5 you posted, you do not change systems and you make a high number of units. You do very well. When I applied the method of changing systems to that same shoe, I came away with considerably LESS units won than you did. Can you shed some words of wisdom on changing systems as the shoe changes?

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Ellis, I need some clarification on the terminology that you are using. When you say, "+ OR count do you mean INCREASING" and when you say "- or 0, OR count do you mean DECREASING or NEUTRAL"?

If so, are you saying that no matter which of the 3 systems I am following (S40, F or OTB4L), that if you see an INCREASING OR count appear I should use mode 3 (ie; wait for 3 losses before deciding to go OTR or to stay on the same side until you win). And, if you see a DECREASING or NEUTRAL OR count appear (no matter which of the 3 systems you are in) you should use mode 2 (ie; wait until 2 losses before deciding to go OTR or stay on the same side unitl you win).

If so, and I am understanding you correctly, when would you ever use mode 1(go OTR or stay on the same side unitl you win) all after only 1 loss?

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