nor NOR Manual Interpretation | ECD GROUP | September 10, 2014

[ECD]

Hi guys,I'm a new member. Can anyone help me with this. In the NOR manual, re: playing S40, it says, "In Mode 2 you will lose your 1,2 bets against a 3 in a row. Now you go OTR and if you win, you

bet OTR once more. If you win, the run has already gone 5. Now you go back to opposites with

your 1234 progression. This means the run must go 9 to beat you.

Is it saying go OTR after 2 losing bets? if so, then assuming I win my 1st OTR bet of 1 unit, I should play OTR for 1 more bet, at this point I have played 4 plays total. So my question is how has the run already "gone 5".

Then it says "Now you go back to opposites with

your 1234 progression. This means the run must go 9 to beat you"

Any help explaining this would be appreciated.

CT70

[modnar]

That is right. The first bet of the run is an opposite and you won that before the 2 losses that put you otr for the first time.

[ECD]

Yes, but if I'm in mode 2, then with my 2 OTR bets, I am still at play 4. Where have gone 5 plays?

thx

CT70

[modnar]

you never start at play 1 at the begining of the shoe.

[ECD]

Yes, but if I'm in mode 2, then with my 2 OTR bets, I am still at play 4. Where have gone 5 plays?

thx

CT70

OK...I'll explain it this way

Assume that you have 9 Players in a row

Play 1...Your bet is on Player because it has to be an opposite

Play 2...Your first bet on your new progression is 1 unit on Banker...LOSE

Play 3...Your second bet is 2 units on Banker...LOSE

Play 4...Your third bet in Mode 2 is on the run...Bet 3 units Player...WIN

Play 5...Your fourth bet in Mode 2 is also on the Player run...WIN

Play 6...Now you are back to betting opposites...your fifth bet is 1 unit on Banker...LOSE

Play 7...Your sixth bet is 2 units on Banker...LOSE

Play 8...Your seventh bet is 3 units on Banker...LOSE

Play 9...Your eighth bet is 4 units on Banker...LOSE

Hope this clears it all up

Oz

[Guest]

Well, sometimes we are playing where STraight runs are prevalent and sometimes we are NOT. So the argument persists - should we stay on runs once on them or not? The NOR manual says, in mode 2 stay OTR for 2 plays and 1 play in mode 3. That is fine as a general rule. BUT, fortunately we are allowed to use our heads. WHAT have we been seeing at the casino we are playing? We checked all the tote boards. Both runs and the lack of runs sticks out like a sore thumb on the tote boards. What are we seeing at THAT casino on THAT day at THAT time - runs or no? THAT is what should decide the issue.

PLUS we usually have experience at the casino we are playing - AND at the time we are playing it.

LOOK, it is only 1 unit PLUS - we never penalize ourselves for forcing the lost 1 bet under a run - we stay at 1. BUT, once we start betting opposites, THAT's a different story. The LAST thing we want is to find ourselves betting AGAINST a run. And this is especially disturbing if we ignored the information at hand. Surprise runs are virtually non existent.

SO if you are seeing runs BET the darn things.

And if you are not - DON'T!

And you get a second chance! When you lose your first opposite (a 1 bet) you ALWAYS have the option of going back on the run - and it doesn't need to be more than a 1 bet.

Pros are NEVER found betting against long runs! Never! And I'm trying to teach you how to play like a pro. Sure, they might test the water with ONE 1 bet against the run - But if that fails, FIX it.

[ECD]

Thanks Oz,

This is great! Taking the time for me to sum it up. I put it all on a Score card and reviewed it.

So, I see you went on the run at play 4 with a 3 unit bet. My understanding was that in S40M2, you go on the run with a "1" unit bet, if win then stay on the run for another (1 unit) bet (optional).

Correct me if I am wrong, to sum it up, in M2, after 2nd losing bet, we go on the run with a "3" unit bet?

[ECD]

Thx Ellis

CT

[Guest]

Thanks Oz,

This is great! Taking the time for me to sum it up. I put it all on a Score card and reviewed it.

So, I see you went on the run at play 4 with a 3 unit bet. My understanding was that in S40M2, you go on the run with a "1" unit bet, if win then stay on the run for another (1 unit) bet (optional).

Correct me if I am wrong, to sum it up, in M2, after 2nd losing bet, we go on the run with a "3" unit bet?

Well, yes and no. You'll learn that it is best to use the OR count to determine Mode. At the point of your first OTR bet, a minus or 0 OR count means Mode 2 and a + count means Mode 3.

Correct, we usually go back to 1 for our first OTR bet but once we are fully satisfied we are in the right Mode, most of us go to a 3 OTR bet in Mode 2.

The first time, we attempt a 2nd OTR bet in Mode 2. But from there we go by history. If that 2nd OTR bet won we keep it for the next run. But if it lost, we drop it for the next run. See that? We go by what worked last time or what would have worked. With regular cards, shoe history is our best indicator.

Just remember though: If you are seeing long runs stay on them until you lose.