NOR Boot Camp- Crazy Shoes & Mode Sanity - $179.00 - register early for discount

[Guest]

Hi NOR Members. Steve here-- NOR Boot Camp Sunday Oct 26. Many of you expressed interest in the NOR Boot Camp but, the 2 sessions of 4 hours each was a bit much. So I have condensed it to a single 4 hour session, rewritten the entire manual and am including how to handle these crazy shoes that are coming at us. In addition, I have found a way to simplify use of the modes. So you won't want to miss this.

If you register by Monday, you can get a $20 discount.

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

Steve

[ChiefAurelius]

Hi NOR Members. Steve here-- NOR Boot Camp Sunday Oct 26. Many of you expressed interest in the NOR Boot Camp but, the 2 sessions of 4 hours each was a bit much. So I have condensed it to a single 4 hour session, rewritten the entire manual and am including how to handle these crazy shoes that are coming at us. In addition, I have found a way to simplify use of the modes. So you won't want to miss this.

If you register by Monday, you can get a $20 discount.

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

Steve

Hi Steve,

I played on Saturday night and was resoundedly beaten by a shoe that murdered everyone else at the table. I will post it, I just don't have it with me at the moment, but it defied every system. No one could get over the top of it. Do you think that this could be one of those 'crazy shoes' that you're referring to?

Thanks

Chief

[Guest]

Hi Chief,,, absolutely it would be. I am seeing this more and more...---- even here in LA. Shoes that morph the moment it looks like it is settled down. Then they do things that are statistically improbable....... Ellis and I just spoke of this yesterday... Give me a shout and we can talk about it... Feel free to email the shoe to me also--- that will help...

[ChiefAurelius]

Hi Chief,,, absolutely it would be. I am seeing this more and more...---- even here in LA. Shoes that morph the moment it looks like it is settled down. Then they do things that are statistically improbable....... Ellis and I just spoke of this yesterday... Give me a shout and we can talk about it... Feel free to email the shoe to me also--- that will help...

Thanks Steve.

I will send through (hopefully later today). You've got it in one when you said how it 'morphed'. I'll point out when I send through later.

Cheers

Chief

[Guest]

Sorry guys, was out again for health problems.

Steve, these CA shoes - are they preshuffled or regular cards starting out?

Shuffle machines? 8 deck? Have you seen the card prep used?

Chief, what about the shoe you are going to post - can you give us the same information?

I'm not sure W/O more information but it sounds so far that you guys are describing net bet situations.

Oh, and Steve, thanks for sending me the on line casino links.

I trust the Wizard's site as a true RG.

But according to the guy who programmed them, many of the RG sites are programmed to

simply come up with the opposite side of where most of the money is bet each play. It appears random

but in reality, they can't be beat when playing for real money.

THAT is why we avoid them. They aren't even real RG shoes.

Meanwhile, there are some guys who simply can't understand my rules for Ultimate Net Betting.

I'll go back and fix that because it sounds to me like we're gonna need that system.

Edited October 27, 2014 by Ellis

[pauld]

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[ChiefAurelius]

Hi All and Thanks again for the help,

These are the shoes (below). In the interest of the above conversation, I thought I'd post all five of the shoes to help potentially illuminate the bias of the shoe.

Ok. The shoes are from a smaller casino that I infrequently visit. When I say small, they only have one bacc table (so unfortunately, you can't avail yourself of a better table as all the rest of the tables are BJ). But, they do handshuffle.

I believe that the casino starts by loading a preshuffled deck and from there, hand shuffles at the end of each shoe as these are face up games, not touch where the cards are disposed of. I timed the shuffles and they all seem to take between 7 and 10 minutes.

This casino is incredibly slow. One of the shoes took over an hour and a half to play out

It's an eight deck shoe.

Shoe # 1 (which I came in late on, but picked up a couple of units at the end. The log on the tote board said that this was shoe number 3 since the table opened)

B 41411211221

B 51122122211

P 11123221

Shoe #2

P 51122111321

B 211221111161

B 2211121312211

P 2122

Shoe # 3 (This is the one I got crunched on)

P 15121112132

B 52212314

P 212421152

B 3121

Shoe #4

(I came in very late on this shoe (and they seemed to have rocketed through this one compared to the others I sat) as I was so annoyed with Shoe # 3 I went off to a different part of the casino, rewrote it and replayed it. I found a couple of simple errors, but still struggled to beat the shoe)

P 15211113122

P 121132212113

B 213315212

P 2151

(My confidence had taken a hit on shoe #3 and I ended up, after entering late on this one, losing three units, but then making them back to zero out on this one)

Shoe # 5

B 2112123212111

B 1111111123111211

B 132121312112

P 2

I did much better on the last one, but then learnt a very expensive lesson about not quitting when you're tired and your concentration is getting really short (it was about 1.30am by this stage - I wasn't kidding when I said they take forever dealing these shoes). Anyway, won't be making that mistake a second time.

So there you go team. I'd appreciate your expert advice.

As I mentioned, shoe #3 decimated the table. There were 12 people playing but by the lasst third of the shoe it was down to just me and one other, and she had been doing really well all night until that shoe wiped her out.

Thanks again

Chief

PS Ellis, hope you're feeling better.

[Guest]

Hi All and Thanks again for the help,

These are the shoes (below). In the interest of the above conversation, I thought I'd post all five of the shoes to help potentially illuminate the bias of the shoe.

Ok. The shoes are from a smaller casino that I infrequently visit. When I say small, they only have one bacc table (so unfortunately, you can't avail yourself of a better table as all the rest of the tables are BJ). But, they do handshuffle.

I believe that the casino starts by loading a preshuffled deck and from there, hand shuffles at the end of each shoe as these are face up games, not touch where the cards are disposed of. I timed the shuffles and they all seem to take between 7 and 10 minutes.

This casino is incredibly slow. One of the shoes took over an hour and a half to play out

It's an eight deck shoe.

Shoe # 1 (which I came in late on, but picked up a couple of units at the end. The log on the tote board said that this was shoe number 3 since the table opened)

B 41411211221

B 51122122211

P 11123221

Shoe #2

P 51122111321

B 211221111161

B 2211121312211

P 2122

Shoe # 3 (This is the one I got crunched on)

P 15121112132

B 52212314

P 212421152

B 3121

Shoe #4

(I came in very late on this shoe (and they seemed to have rocketed through this one compared to the others I sat) as I was so annoyed with Shoe # 3 I went off to a different part of the casino, rewrote it and replayed it. I found a couple of simple errors, but still struggled to beat the shoe)

P 15211113122

P 121132212113

B 213315212

P 2151

(My confidence had taken a hit on shoe #3 and I ended up, after entering late on this one, losing three units, but then making them back to zero out on this one)

Shoe # 5

B 2112123212111

B 1111111123111211

B 132121312112

P 2

I did much better on the last one, but then learnt a very expensive lesson about not quitting when you're tired and your concentration is getting really short (it was about 1.30am by this stage - I wasn't kidding when I said they take forever dealing these shoes). Anyway, won't be making that mistake a second time.

So there you go team. I'd appreciate your expert advice.

As I mentioned, shoe #3 decimated the table. There were 12 people playing but by the lasst third of the shoe it was down to just me and one other, and she had been doing really well all night until that shoe wiped her out.

Thanks again

Chief

PS Ellis, hope you're feeling better.

Excellent post Chief! Good work! Thanks, I am feeling a little better since yesterday but I'm not out of the woods. yet. I may have to go on dialysis. Got ahold of some supposedly all natural Diabetes pills on the internet. They did wonders for my diabetes but at the expense of my kidneys. Hmm, I don't know of any natural ingredient that could cause kidney failure. Might be lawsuit time.

This is the kind of information we need when targeting a casino.

I question whether these cards started out factory preshuffled??? It would seem strange for a casino to go to those lengths for ONE table.

I'm guessing they started the day with regular cards and a card prep. Then went to hand shuffle from there.

That is the norm for small casinos. You could simply ask.

So OK, you have no table selection, well except for BJ which I definitely don't recommend for the uninitiated.

That means you concentrate on system selection. What system should you base with at this casino.

So all you have is a history of 5 shoes.

So your first question should be: What do these shoes have in common?

The answer is obvious at a glance - High 1's and 2s.

This is a simple S40 casino at least so far.

How do I know that?

Their lengthy shuffle is producing shoes with high 1s and 2s. 5 shoes all with this same property in common is no coincidence.

It is their procedure that is causing this vulnerability.

And vulnerabilities is the name of the game.

So OK, we know that high 1's and 2s is S40.

Now all we need to know is Mode.

Well high 4 or mores is Mode 2 while high 3s is mode 3.

Simple, now you know how to play every shoe.

So how should you bet? Given this consistency I would go aggressive: U1D2M2 is aggressive enough with a goal of +20.

Then if I'm hitting +20 early, I would move up to U1D1M2.

So how long did it take me to figure this out?

I knew within 1 minute of turning on my computer this morning.

So should you guys.

Play 59 in the 3rd shoe should have been a 2 bet. Then I would have hit my +20.

Edited October 28, 2014 by Ellis

[ChiefAurelius]

Wow Ellis. You de Man and Master!

I learnt more out of your reply than pages of study of the manual and forum. I think I'm still getting tripped up on having too much going through my head when I sit down at the table. Your triage approach made a ton of sense and, to be honest, I do better with hard rules then interpretation, rather than interpreting the shoe into the rules.

The clarity you provided in your post was what I was lacking and desperately in need of.

I am much encouraged by the no-nonsense approach that you took to the tables.

If Steve can get the monthly forum shoe analysis going I think that it will provide feedback like this on a regular basis.

Great work Ellis

Chief