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At SkyCity, Auckland, New Zealand, the touch baccarat games using pre-shuffled

cards are now using Angel (made in Japan) cards, and not Bee cards as before.

I noticed today they looked a bit more reflective of the light when the cards were face down

on the table, then I got dealt the Ace of Spades, which in Bee cards has the name Bee

on it. This card did not.

I asked the dealer and he confirmed a switch from Bee to Angel less than a week ago.

It will be interesting to see if the shoes are any different.

I don't know if the casino specifically orders pre-shuffled decks of a certain character or not.

I do know the first 2 shoes I played were beautiful MDB+ shoes, the third shoe a bit of

MDB+ and NOR.

regards

Pando

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At SkyCity, Auckland, New Zealand, the touch baccarat games using pre-shuffled

cards are now using Angel (made in Japan) cards, and not Bee cards as before.

I noticed today they looked a bit more reflective of the light when the cards were face down

on the table, then I got dealt the Ace of Spades, which in Bee cards has the name Bee

on it. This card did not.

I asked the dealer and he confirmed a switch from Bee to Angel less than a week ago.

It will be interesting to see if the shoes are any different.

I don't know if the casino specifically orders pre-shuffled decks of a certain character or not.

I do know the first 2 shoes I played were beautiful MDB+ shoes, the third shoe a bit of

MDB+ and NOR.

regards

Pando

Hmm, Now we know that Bee is not the only manufacturer of preshuffled cards. Any manufacturer can put the cards in any order specified just as easily as they put them in "normal" boxed card order. So can some shuffle machines - perhaps using the very same technology.

But I strongly doubt that any manufacturer would be foolish enough to take on the responsibility of selecting card orders themselves.

Suppose the card order the manufacturer selected ended up producing 26 Players in a row - and the casino lost 7 million dollars on the shoe. Casinos are sue happy to begin with! Certainly they would blame and sue the card manufaqcturer and probably win the lawsuit.

No card manufacturer is going to assume that risk!

I very strongly presume that casinos themselves order their cards in specific card orders - probably several hundred different card orders.

I also strongly suspect that much study goes into the card orders casinos specify.

This is supported by the fact that casino Baccarat profits are much higher than the 50/50 game odds dictate.

So high that the casino profits themselves have triggered investigations.

No, the only thing that makes sense to me is that casinos specify the card orders they want after much study. And that the numbers on the 8 deck bundles correspond to the card orders. That way, casinos can introduce a ringer shoe to a game they are losing.

That is the only way the extra high casino profits can be explained.

Proof is the fact that MDB+ wins at least in Vegas. It was the basis for the design of MDB+.

Vegas cards, on the whole, are super random - closer to mathematical random than can happen by accident.

THAT gave me a basis for a system - and the system works. That is proof.

When you have been around casinos as long as I have, you realize that casino cheating is rampant and universal.

Casinos can't survive on game odds alone - they must cheat to survive - no matter the game.

NBJ beats casino BJ because it takes advantage of casino cheating in BJ.

MDB+ wins because it takes advantage of casino cheating in preshuffled Bac.

Look, if casinos didn't cheat, we couldn't win. We rely on casino cheating - both games.

Pando, I doubt you will see any big difference in the cards between one manufacturer and another.

Because it is only the card orders the casino specifies that can cause a difference.

And casinos are going to go with the card orders they are used to winning with, regardless of the manufacturer.

And in my book, that is blatant cheating. But be thankful of it.

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Hi Ellis

Thank you for your very interesting feedback.

I had been playing MDB+ on the old Bee cards with outstanding success, and I have

already posted many of the shoes on this forum.

Further I thought I had uncovered an interesting fact about the Bee card shoes.

It is that statistically, the shoes favour MDB+ in the first third of the shoe, and then

they mostly switch to be NOR shoes favouring 1's and 2's. The percentage or 1's and

2's is very high and gets higher as the shoe finishes. MDB+ still performs, but the

bets seem to decrease in frequency as the shoe unfolds.

I was just waiting for a few more shoes before I posted that information but now

the card supplier has switched I cannot get any more Bee card shoes.

I hope the Angel cards follow the same pattern

best regards

Pando

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Hi Everyone

Here are 5 shoes played with the new Angel cards in a touch game of baccarat

Friday and Saturday

As Ellis suggested, there is nothing to suggest any difference in the shoes between

what we saw in the Bee cards and these Angel cards

All 5 shoes were successfully navigated with MDB+

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441211111212

12366251

B113411121124

232211111111122

181132112

32

B365314

21214211321

512332121

P12122111111313

15631114

31111

B222113111322

31226233

1214111111141

22

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Pando

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Hi Pando,

How do you play the first shoe with MDB+?

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Hi mickus83,

When playing MDB+, I strongly recommend NOT taking any signal based on the 2s ( that would be 1 stays 1 and 2 goes to 3) near the beginning of a shoe which starts with only 1s and 2s. if a shoe starts super chop or super OTBL, you don't want to be in the position of betting against it while it lasts. My database of shoes and MDB+ plays show that almost all of the losses on these two plays occur in the first 25 plays of a super chop shoe. Best to just skip that signal and wait until the shoe becomes less biased. In the meantime, my 2hi chop play would be cleaning up.

Way

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Hello miclus83

I have made a small adjustment to my play exactly as way2fast describes

Ellis tells us we don't stop thinking when we play MDB+, and that we have to adjust

to what the casino is dealing to us. He is exactly correct as usual.

In my case I do not play the bets involving 2's if its early in the shoe UNTIL a winning

opportunity has been presented. I ignore the first trigger but then bet on subsequent

triggers.

Its an extra layer of protection of my bank balance.

As way2fast says, its essential to find our what kind of shoe it is before we start betting,

and we don't want to start betting the wrong way at the outset.

regards

Pando

Hi Pando,

How do you play the first shoe with MDB+?

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