TomM

Hey Guys, Just woke up like an hour ago and plugged into the Bph channel. I played what I think is MVS's MVP/BG. I only read through the instruction last night and fell asleep. I don't know if I got lucky but got +30 in first shoe and still have not washed the cat poo poo out of my eyes yet. I don't think it is to eartly to say the SKOR/ks rewrite is on indefinate suspension. Now Maybe I can get back to doing what God intended for me to do....Haress the Pit and flirt with the cuties. Thank God, can't be to soon in my book. Oh the MVP part I explained earlier ( I like it ) the /BG part is for Bloody Genius !!! I was thinking BM for the AM edition ( Bloody Mary ) for night play /VT version for vodka /tonic... I going back to the carnage now. I sure hope Viviana and Daza and Carolina are on day shift today......SMOKIN' :439: P.S. I'm not quittin till I use up all the Smiley guys :approve:

Bacc: Looks like they still got the shuffle machine set to puree’. I’m guessing it is machine shuffle right ? I never seen such weird shoes that you get there. Looks like they are afraid to deal a couple decent straight runs back-to-back. Next time you go there take a big heavy cast iron skillet with you. Try hammering the machine until the gears begin to grind. If that doesn’t work chase the pit boss guy around with it for awhile. Tom :bigeyes2:

Andrea: I'm with you man. I think MVS is one smart cookie. We can maybe ride this wave all the way to the beach. What you think about MVP for a name... it would seem to fit. P.S. Guys I screwed up the last hour and still have not got Jack done with the cutie over at BOC. I still think my heart belongs to Carolina but think it is her day off. Laura on days is smoking too. The Carolina over Bhp way is smokin to but she must be a break dealer or something....hardly ever hangs around a table long enough to find out the story. Always falling out of here clothes too which is nice also. I swear I got to put post-it notes up over the dealer window to get any baccarat in at all.

MVS: I woke up in the middle of the night and thought MVP = Most Valuble Progression....would maybe fit. It would be quite memorable... esp to sports fans. Now that I'm awake I have to fiqure out if I want to surf over to BOC an hassle the ladies and/ or engage the guys in a political discussion. Last time there I had Giovanni or another guy dealer agreeing with me that Bush was first retarded American president. LOL...So many website to visit... so little time. Oh Well ! :bad: Tom P.S. I might even try scanning System Zero into a folder. There may be a way to twist system zero around a little to fit into you system when the 3's start pouring out. I'm with you on the 1.5 betting thing unless you are betting a significant unit size like $50.'s or black....even though $10.'s are OK... but to keep it real in brick and mortar joint and online when like a dublinbet dealer on puppy uppers is smoking cards across the felt so fast you can barely get one chip down before you are locked out.

PJ Remember when we were trying to think of a name for U2HISAP and I think you said call it anything but USAP. Not good for marketing purposes. I think this calls for a system naming contest. Putting on thinking cap... P.S. I am still moving grannies stuff... have had the manual system zero is in loaded in my scanner for days now. Looks like a neglected child. I was playing Bph all night and tried System zero on some real crappy short shoes with a 1, 1.5, 2 unit negative progression and it did good through a bunch of junk and SKOR base knocked off more units in the 2's mixed 1's crap. Kind of fun to have something to default when your half alive and still pick up a few units... low risk. Grannie will be 82 next week and still has her spurs in my side to move more stuff around and sell coo-coo clock and everything else. If she had a place in the country I would consider grabbing photo albums and coo-coo clock and wait for lighting to strike. She has buried more men than Arlington !!!!!

MVS, Thanks for posting up those shoes with detailed explanation. Makes perfect sense to me so far....now I'm scared for you! :147: I'm not going to give up until I have used all the smiley guys !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :approve: P.S. Where else in the World can I go " I was playing nickles at Bph and bailed to BOC to hassle KLZ while playing OTB4L" and I don't end in the rubber baccarat room. Now all you got to do is come up with a cool name for your system.....I'm sure you can do better than Kitchen Sink....Hey, I was pressed for time. New rule for me. Never attempt to post before 3rd cup of coffee.

MVS Makes good sense. Can you post up a card or two ? Show us what it looks like visually..... But good work ...You really got a handle on the systems you are combining and using them in a sensible way that keeps you out trouble and in the chips. Way to go !!!! :biggthumpup:

Forgot what I wrote last night or this morning or whatever. I was Trying too talk BOC into letting in USA players in for real action. Next time I'm over that way will ask the ex-Veutec CEO guy if he is walking the floor. All I can do is pester the guy to death. I'm getting the dealers on my side toking all my funny money. Would be a shame to actually have to shut up and play the game though. I'm going too ask the pit there some of the wall stuff...like will they track my funny money play for all expense trip to Costa Rica to check out the whole enchiilada.

Hey Guys, Just checked into BPh nickels and have it playing on another window. Game is: go-nowwher-fast so thought it ironic to have these two sites up at once. Who cares Miry( new to me ) was dealing with larry KIng's wrinkeled face in the background.... no contest who to watch. Miry was hand modeling monkeys too many hands I thought I had pat. Just another Bph night game. I'm still holding my own even 2 sheets two the wind. Another wacky looking grave shoe that is so funny to watch with the delay to already know you won or lost before the cards hit the table. First time I've seen the Pit (off camera dud) have to hand the dealer a replacement 3 card that I guess refused to scan any longer. Does anybody know when they change cards ? They must stagger the card change or just keep dealing until the code wears off. Anyway still don't see any thing too fishy even if this studio format baccart still is a little new to me. All in all I like it. Well maybe one more attempt to harass BOC tonight before I flake. They were having there feed problems earlier agiain. They need to get some more high speed Servers down Costa Rica way so we can make some chips while getting a babeolicious fix every session. What's next on the net ..naked baccarat ala naked news ? Thank God Bush+Cheney twins finally got thrown out of office or wouldn' t have a prayer of USA live anything for how long who knows. Almost tiime to sleep before......and this reply box just started freaking out the little cursor thing wouldn't stay put...What's the deal on that ? Other than a couple glitches in reply boy it would seem a nice facelift for the forum. Is anybody without the Windows 7 magnifing thingy SOL trying to make out what they are typing here? P.S. Personally I'm alll for naked baccarat...can't push the envelope to far to suit me. Besides what would the brick and mortor joints do to keep up?

Still moving grannies crap and dropped into BPH and Melissa and Viviana are working the nickel table in the New Version that is actually the $2000.00min table. Melissa is looking particularly scrumdidilyious today. Looks look she and a couple other dealers have colds. Maybe after get granny settled in take a trip to Costa Rica with a case of Vicks Vapo Rub for some good foriegn relations. How about someone with some real time on there hands start a BPh beauty contest? I think maybe Melissa would top my list but I am really torn between her and a couple others. Somebody help me decide. Gotta go grannies cracking the whip. P.S. I almost forgot two of my favs...Carolina...and Daza from Gaza is intriguing to but Carolina must of lost weight or something she’s always messing with her straps and zipper. I wonder if she would be interested in baccarat lessons? I gotta go check in, Maureen just did a real through shuffle like tightly woven and exacting. On the other hand earlier Mellisa must of had her nails done at lunchtime when she came back she was fussy about drying nail polish or something and barely got the cards interleaved... Chunky shuffle. The shoes are still much better during the day IMO but I usually end up playing at night. Night games still highly volatile but good sometimes for U2SAP for the long runs or nutcase like me looking to FIB something. But watch out at night ... a lot of high risk shoes but worth a try maybe.... then some major crap you have to step over at times. I think I am leaving out another possible contender for beauty queen but can't remember her name now....think I got Carolina on my mind...Oh well back to the salt mines! Oh yeah, The windows 7 magnification thingy goes up to 400%. I just found that out a minute ago. Comes in handy sometimes.

Betphoenix is down for many hours tonight. Live chat doesn't know when they will be back up. Checked out BOC and KLZ dealing BJ and I was getting a fair read but pushing 20' and 21's and 19's alot. She finally out draw me for a bunch of chips. I decided to can that and move to baccarat and tried playing without a card half awake and she continued to clean me out there. LOL Thank God for funny money!!!! OK now it's definately time for a nightcap. :beerchug:

Anyboy else on the nickel game at BP right now. That is the game where the feed froze and the dealer is placing the duesce on the Player hand. It started and hour ago but I think at this moment the feed is still frozen. This does not happen that often but they made a ISP switch recently and occasionally they are overwhelmed. This is a good shoe but I just logged on and was in fun mode and it showed streak 3'LC and just power through them with 1's secondary L/C and got +19 at play #40 and it loods to me like this shoe is going to crap out now or dump the 1's......Back to the game.. if the feed is ever restored!!! P.S. I just noticed the $100.00 chips are actually dark brown and the $500.00 chip are black. Oh Well I guess I wiill never know. It appears there have internet problems. These are pretty infrequent there but happen occasionally now that they are sharing a line with all the other outfits in Costa Rica. They take a break every night at midnight EST but give you five minutes advanced warning that this will happen every time. So far I have never noticed any shoe changes...anything looking different when they come back and the game usually resumes where you may anticipate it. Oh well guess I'll go check out BOC for a bit. 2nd P.S. I started this one my normal there SKOR/Z (single zero) then use KS and look to power through the streak if the first column looks good. in this one there were 3 linked 2's in the middle of the first column but as I am learning there you can reliably dump the SAP 2's into the next column and just power through betting for the repeats usually even when the 3's start kicking in. But if the 3's are really coming than adapt but I find that in these confirmed streaky with good balance you can usually forget the 3's and just go for the 4 or more bets with pretty good success. Also look for the next shoe to be crap or sometimes you can get a couple easy trendy shoes in a row and then some crap. Usually not more than two good ones in a row at night Costa Rica time. 3rd P.S. Just checked out Laura dealing over at BOC but there having connection trouble also. I guess it is a Costa Rican thing tonight! Too bad because Laura really melts my butter. Oh Well jump the pond and hope a guy isn't dealing in Dublin. Wee hours of the morning there. Maybe I can catch them napping and snag a few chips.

Just had my son over and had the dime game going on in the background. Was super trendy playing off the top. I think there were four 6's and some other smaller repeat runs. Also had a 9ops (correctly counted 10 ops I guess.. My son was saying why not and I was thinking the same thing but sucking on a beer...so no go tonight. IF I can get my son taught proper I would just as soon give him the wheel and play off his hand. Better yet get Ellis addicted and figure a way to play off his hand. Can you imagine the forum working its way up to the $2000.00 minimum table and all of us betting the same on each hand until we all got ejected. Would make a good final chapter in his book! The only problem now is BP is the only live dealer casino that takes action on USA players. So if you get tossed your screwed for a while. I don't think it is a problem getting paid. If you Google BP you will see for yourself it survives mostly on the back of USA sports bettors. The sports bet forums are unlike here. Some read like a bunch of drunk sailors at the local watering hole. Some of those guys are betting big and have no problem getting paid off on there wins. The only hang for them is to get tagged by a Book as a Professional handicapper and really hitting a lot at the same book, then they could pull the "this site is for recreational gamblers line". The prevailing thought on these forums is BP is a solid company and is not about to cut and run. However, there are many offshore sports books so if they are hassled they can just pick up and take there business to another island in the stream. In the USA not the same unfortunately. Only one waterhole for the time being. The live games are a relatively new thing for them but check it out. I have been trying too figure out any angle they could use to cheat at but can’t figure anything amiss. So far my winning games out number losing. I have played quite a few shoes now in fun mode and transfer to money mode and pluck a few units and so forth. When tired or overplaying I tend to give back. I am starting with nickels only and hope to move to dimes and so on in only the one deposit. I have a tendency to over-play so I am setting some ground rules now etc. I would wade in slowly on a small deposit and stick with nickels and get used to the format. It is little awkward for me being used to Dublinbet. You have to rebet after every hand including ties and reselect chip denomination etc. which is a little cumbersome but you can make a case that this is for the safety of the customer. It is quite safe in that respect and they give you enough time to make a decision and bet IMHO. When it comes to casinos, brick and mortar or online my mantra is “trust but verify”. P.S I wonder what the marketing plan is for the $2000.00 min $10,000 max table. Is that to keep the $1000.00 flat betting riff -raff at bay? I can’t figure that one out. Goes in the category of $15.00 minimum blackjack tables to me. I never could get my head around that one.

PJ. Just try BetPhoenix.com. They'll hook you up. Even send your winning to you on the back of a burro out of a Mexico City Bank if you want to play high stakes. I am still in the checking out mode but have won but not tryed to cash out yet. Moneygram works well. They clear it almost immediately. BP is the only place that excepts USA bettors. They just don't care about flounting USA online law now. They are a huge outfit that employs a small village of people. They cater to mostly USA sports bettors but are getting in and cashing in on the Live Dealer games now. It's pretty neat. You can hop 3 tables if you start with dimes but I am still betting nickles on the 1 nickel table. You will need a good high speed connection most likely. I lot of content on the page. Check it out.

Just a quick note on BP. As Zero mentioned when flat betting trying to make money on the trends. This is the SKOR/ks methodology. It can be very effective here. If you don't want to run a higher risk Negative Progression is a good idea. I am now labeling shoes (using PJ's SAP card) I always express the 3;s and 4+'s as a fraction so that frees up one column box for a comment on the play. It's real handy. I am now calling every play as High Risk or not and laying of the bets I consider HR for flat betting. This is something I will probably recommend in the KS rewrite. I have never seen so many hands that I consider so HR in some shoes. I just started doing this yesterday and is making a difference. I am really returning to SKOR/ks roots here and trying too handicap each hand as much as possible. With the added time I find this to keep me from making bad bets in difficult shoes. I got cocky at first there jumping out to a quick lead but hitting to losers in a row quickly changed my thinking on that. Also I was playing in real $ mode testing RD1 for example which wasn't bright. All testing of other systems is now done strictly in Fun mode In the Casinomeister forum most of the folks like the live dealer games except for the RNG junkies that are used to playing fast. I have a tendency to like to play quick too but obviously not RNG. If I do a tune-up shoe at Dublinbet for instance when I start playing at BP I feel I am going in slow motion. I know I have to curb that and control my environment as much as possible in the casino (home office). 100% concentration 100% of the time. I don't want sound preachy but that the way it is. When your playing money you are in the casino lock stock and barrel. I am finding SKOR/ks training to help here now. I am laying off many more high risk bets now as soon as I recognize the trends. That means sitting out more in worst games but that's OK for now. The good shoes play themselves. It occurs to me that we could actually develop Specialists that play various different online casinos and give us a synopsis of what system they are playing and their overall observations. Unfortunely I can only play $ mode BP for now so have only limited knowledge on other casinos except Dublinbet that I find very user friendly except for there exceptionally fast games at times. I actually like the speed at D-bet playing OTB4L with a bit of Kentucky windage. OTB4L/OTR is really the only system I can play there at any hour of the day due to the changing speed of the deal. I have taken down massive wins there with that approach and if I had access to D-Bet would probably play OTB4L/OTR with a five point spread. It seems highly effective there and almost feels like cheating at times, even though I never lost any sleep over it. I just play quarters to keep it real, and when I get it up the $8000,00 area put my cards away pour a stiff one and see how long it takes me to give it all back. Good training for newbie’s and keeps my profile there close to average if they pay attention to that playing in fun mode. The day shoes yesterday at BP looked fine. I think was the first time I won 3 in a row. I think I am just getting accustomed to there style, and playing stingy old KS that is making the difference now. I am really starting to like this online casino thing. I don’t know if I would ever be comfortable playing high stakes though. Anyway I am quite far from having to make that decision. Tired of reading my own posts. Does anybody have any input on their online casino experience that they would care to share. I think this could be taken to an art form with all the smart members we have in one place. You don’t have to name specific casinos as such just the nature of how you approach these as versus a brick and mortar for instance. Would be nice to see a regular give and take here or start a new thread. P.S. At BP I am beginning to like playing by the sound of the bet clock. This way I can keep my head buried in my card and stay in my Zone and chart the next hand and just listen to the bet clock to tick down to make the bet online. That way after the play is done I know if my bet was a winner or not if they play the winning tune. I only have to glance up to check on the damn ties and remember to re-bet. You might give this a try if you can play in hours when your less likely to be disturbed. Speaking of Ties…and let me say I am not a tie bettor other than playing them for the dealer when they are pouring out. I have had some very weird tie bet shoes @ BP like five ties in a row another shoe had 11 ties in the first twenty-three hands all but one repeat ties…. You tend to notice weird stuff like that. Also ties near the top of a shoe may be interpreted as a shoe to stay on your toes. I have always side marked the ties on my card as a charting aid in case I went to the restroom or something I would use the tie as a marker to help me find my place from my neighbors card. Another handy thing at BP is the vertical card and horizontal card displayed nicely. Newbie’s can practice there SAP count looking at the horizontal card quickly count the play # and record the SAP event #’s and then when entering your are up to speed real quick and only have to note the current trend (if any discernible) and Bank Player disparity etc. then enter with your best bet in game underway at BP or in most casinos that players are using normal cards i.e. (Asian Horizontal) or reliable tote boards. I guess I am just slow but when I went to abbreviate Band/Player as BP I realized that might be confusing when talking BetPhoenix. If you have your head buried in your card playing by sound you might place a bet on the last hand that I have not figured out how to remove as they go to shuffle. I was in fun mode so I just let it ride for the beginning of the next shoe, but if it is real money I guess just logout and re-log should take it down

Zero, That's what I meant by saying the oversized cards may work to our advantage in an earlier post. I just need to watch the shuffle as they have slightly different routines. I see wild swings at night Half chop, half streak, Columnar shoes +,-,+-,+ etc. I'm going to play on day shift for a while and see if the cards are much different than the late night one. Keep and eye on the shuffle and record dealer names etc. for indivdual influence. I'm going to check it out now. P.S. This Windows 7 magnifying window thing helps to see the cards a little better during the shuffle.

Danielsan: It's all hand-shuffled with the big over-sizeed cards that say "Eat at Joes" on the back. I backed off playing BP $ to study in fun mode for a while so I can check out the shuffles better and see which systems tend to work better there. Their shoes are all over the place. As I said earlier, highly volatile. I am usually playing late night swing/grave and only this morning squeezed in 3 shoes in on day shift. I am EST virtually same hours as Costa Rica. It is already evident to me that playing baccarat online requires some special skills…particularly discipline. It is just too easy to login 24/7 and have a baccarat shoe staring you in the face. Too tempting to overplay and play when your out of condition. I restarted and am back to studying their shuffles and any dealer influence I can notice.I just started doing this there but I think already it’s making a difference. What I noted so far at BP is there shuffle tends to produce two trendy shoes in a row and then a couple herky-jerky battle shoes. The trendy shoes I find OK to beat with SKOR/ks with less attention to hitting stopper bets/ Skip Bets. The runs tend to be longer and it is usually better to make some money on the runs ala SKOR/Z. I still tend to flat bet because often I am off balance in the shoe. In the tough shoes you will notice no event really gets very far ahead before the SAP #’s catch up and virtually tie. I now just quit betting and preserve any units won at these times. Difficult to get a good read and the nature of the events would have something like OTB4L escalating bets into short ZZ situation and at times when this shoe type runs with 4R ‘s and 5R’s. I consider these shoes too high risk for flat bets. SKOR basic will sometimes do OK in sections of these shoe types so it is better to not be changing so many bets ala SKOR/ks unless you have a pattern to bet into or significant strong-sidedness.. That’s not usually the case with these shoe types. Basically unreadable. Several other little things about these shoes but basically I just try to perverse any gains and back-off quickly If I began to give back. The SAP chart can help a bit here as often the events are running neck and neck. You really need the power of a negative prig here but I am resisting that to flat bet (basically)and hope the next shoe is lower risk/more trendy. There are some good runs in these shoes that can make them U2HISAPable. I just played 3 shoes on day shift and won all three. They were pretty trendy but require careful play. One had a 13 opposite run in the second column that had indications in the 1st column this was possible…7op toward the bottom of column 1. Think up-as-you-win at times maybe!. From what I saw of the shuffle I predicted a choppy game for what it’s worth. This shoe I started out with SKOR/Z single zero start and it just went in 3x3 basically until the end of the column where the 7 OP came out, a 2 and then 13 opposites. Basically a column of 1’s . Think I am going to study the shuffles more and play days. That’s really all I got for now. I would play tight in the crap and see if you can pick up a couple units here and there but limit the risk if you don’t want to play a negative progression. A large portion of these O shoes just suck up chips. Safer to wait. Seems like every time I lean into TB4L the only linked 2’s in the column come out. I tried RD1 approach but need to practice more. It’s easy to over play online and the little ticks of the bet clock and the music when you win is almost hypnotic... so take regular breaks. Sometimes I think I am judging a beauty contest and forget the baccarat end. The usual traps but now just a mouse click away! Does anyone here any history with these oversized cards that might have more insight into their particularities. These big cards are new to me so I am wondering if the awkwardness of the cards makes for a volatile output or is it the house shuffle and not the cards? We need a specialist. Maybe Ellis could become a BP junky and analysis these things…..ELLIS you know you want to be chained to the computer 24/7 right… P.S. Oh, I don't think there is any overt cheating.....Trust but Verify!!!!

Real fast.....less than an hour maybe. P.S. I was just checking out betphoenix on casinomeister furom and I can not find anything negative there either. There is more input of other live dealer sites and that is by and large positive also. BTW their furom is really massive and has a great search tool so you hone right in on the posts you are interested in.

Dawg, Not at the moment. I have in the past, but both times It really turned into a JOB for me. .Under the right circumstances I would play for a living online but am really burn't out on in the casino action. In any case that means smoke-free casinos for me. Doctors orders. Online live dealer casino action would be perfect for me at this point in my life. I'm overdue for a move to Walden pond or Walden’s mountain. Chop wood, carry water, carve a rocking chair, and just plug into a satellite a few hours a week. So far the only problem playing from home is lousy cocktail service! :alcoholic:

Zero, In the login in screen at BP home page they offer OLD VERSION and NEW VERSION in the drop down box. Just select the OLD VERSION and log into that page. The nickel game is at the bottom of that page under the two dime games and one $50.00 game. It is easier to hop tables in the NEW VERSION but the new version lacks the nickel game. Makes me wonder how much longer the nickel game will last. Just as an observation I would suggest logging off after your done playing in money mode. The games look a lot better after you poured yourself one. Just maintain the same discipline you would in a brick and mortar joint. I find it handy too keep the auto-bet button checked so have a little more leeway to get your bet down before the clock expires. Then again I am finding that if I cannot come to a bet decision in the allotted time sometimes it's better to sit out that one anyway. Many times when I am having a hard time making a decision I look up and see the SAP #'s are to close to call. If there is no discernable trend sometimes better to blow off that bet. Oddly I had success last night in a neutral game that I switched to RD1 and it quickly made +7 then started heading down toward and ended the shoe at zero. I was using Anthony's 1,1.5,2 unit betting playing dimes in fun mode. I applied a little windage and elevation to that and may have screwed up a transition. I am just starting to mess with RD1 but it looks pretty good at the right time.

Zero, About the casino laws in the USA According to my research and the CNBC show I saw a week ago: the experts were guessing that the present laws would probably be in effect for some time to come. They said basically to expect the laws to slowly change over the coming years. I think that is probably a correct guess because it would impact the USA land based corporations to much if it happened tomorrow. Maybe once the casino corporations have a piece of the action things will move along. In other words business as usual in D.C.. Once a law takes affect it is a pain to have it changed let alone abolished. So expect slow on this. I haven’t try to withdraw from BP yet so can’t help there. I only deposited $300.00 just to check out the nickel game. I haven’t heard of anyone having any problems withdrawing winnings from them at all. The sports betting review sites rate them A- to B+ for their booking services so that is what I am going by now. I found BP reps. on the phone or live chat to be very knowledgeable and eager to help set up an account. If you are from most countries you have no problem but with the current USA banking laws trying to comply with these nutty UIEGA laws makes it more difficult. The CNBC special said that the feds think the money going offshore is estimated at 40 to 50 billion a year. I think it is just like the automobile industry in the US getting axed by the better more efficient cars from abroad in the last couple decades. How long did they blow that off until they were backed into a corner and needed a bail-out to change there ways. AS far as the BP game goes, so far I am ahead. The 1st day I made $120.00 playing nickels. A couple days later I played another couple shoes and hit my stop loss -8 and another shoe -4 and I backed off to examine more shoes in fun mode. I don’t think these games are rigged. You just have to get used to the format and expect some wild swings from shoe to shoe or even column to column. I backed off for a few days and looked at the shoes and think I just overreacted. The nature of their shoes is very volatile. So far every time I have played there fun or money it is late at night, so the cards are presumably well played by USA /EST. It takes a little time to build up a book on a casino, brick and mortar or online but online I am even more suspicious because of the lack of information available about this new industry and also it is just difficult to see the shuffle. Everything else I have seen there so far looks legitimate but I am just going by my own experience so far and the little that I have been able to dig up on the live dealer games on the net. But don’t take my word for it. I am still in the exploratory phase and am still looking for anything suspicious, but so far I have not seen it. From what I have seen expect wild swings from shoe to shoe. Play closer to SKOR basic in the average game (SAP counts). I have seen a column go 10 in a row followed by 10 ZZ (wish I had been playing a up- FIB on that one) and everything in between. RD1 does well in these late night swing to grave shifts. Expect the unexpected. I’ll update when I’ve seen more shoes.

I just sent a moneygram. It was no problem. They take the usual stuff. Just give them a call and they will tell you what works there. I had a Neteller account that I can’t use now due to the USA banking thing but there are some others now that accept USA customers. I just logged off a few minutes ago. I was just messing around with RD1 and starting with SKOR/Z single zero start, SKOR KS and adding a little Kentucky windage when needed. I was on the nickel table again tonight but I was too tired to bet so just checked out four shoes. Two nice trendy shoes and two shoes that were a battle. But I see no problem once you get accustomed to their somewhat awkward betting arrangement. They take your bet down after each hand including ties and I still sometimes forget to re-bet after the tie. Other than that everything else seems OK. You get some real nice trendy shoes mixed in with the usual go-nowhere -fast shoes. I think you can do well there if you don’t get carried away. Once I build up my unit size I will just hop tables if the nickel table bogs down. I tried googling them to see if they had any disgruntled players sounding off but can’t find anything negative about there live games. I joined the casinomeister forum today but haven't checked my mail to see if I got my invite there. I'll do that in a moment and ask if anybody has the inside scoop on BP. It's a huge outfit that caters to mostly USA sports bettors but have now a substantial investment in these live dealer games. I like the fact that they deal right down to the felt on the 8 deck shoes even though I wish they would ditch the oversized cards. but who knows that may even work to our advantage. I doubt they would jeopardize their reputation by fixing their games when they are probably handily beating the crowds, but then again I only plan to raise the stakes on their money anyway. I don’t want to push it too much as there are no other live dealer sites that accept USA players at this time that I’m aware of. .

Have any of you guys tried Betphoenix live dealer games yet? Personally I do not like the large over-sized cards they use there but it is an 8deck game and dealt right down to the end basically. It and there sister site Bogart casino are identical. if you sign up for one you sign up for both. After a couple years of playing Dublinbet in a real brick and mortar casino it is a little strange to transitions to these online casinos that use the oversize cards. I am so accustomed to fast play that I find their shoes that generally run 1hr and 15 minutes long to be a little slow for my taste but what the heck we Americans are on the outside looking in until online gaming laws are ever changed here. Not much selection so I played there games in fun mode and did my normal 12 units a shoe so figured it was legit. Being that I am so limited to casinos that will take US action I opened an account there and played the nickel baccarat game for a few shoes and quickly won $120.00 bucks with nickels. There were 2's galore and SKOR/KS knocked out a couple back to back 12-13 unit wins and I was impressed even though I still do not like the Studio environment and the slow pace along with the oversized cards. The game is almost hypnotically paced with the sound of the bet clock clicking down and the tones played when you win a bet that it sort of puts me in a trance that I kind of have to fight off. Other than that the first day was fine. The next day I went on the sight and the shoes were lacking in twos and favoring closer to TB4L play but it got a little trickier and I actually hit my BLSL (bottom line stop-loss -8) that I hit about once every 150Dublinbet shoes. My other losses are usually in the -1 to -4 range five or six times every 100 Dublinbet shoes. That’s not to shabby and a lot of credit for maintaining that kind of win rate at D-bet is due to the -4 Panic Button rule. When I hit -4 I shut down and just concentrate on getting back to zero and then resuming the game. This usually really shoots most of the shoe trying to get back to zero especially in 6 deck shoes. I was a little surprised that I lost two shoes in a row giving back 12 units in two consecutive shoes. I backed off and looked at the other tables. They have a $5.00 table two $10.00 tables a $50.00 table and believe it or not a $2000.00 min to $10,000.00 table. So five baccarat tables running 24/7. To access the $5.00 table you have to push the "old version" button next to the login button on the home page. I will probably play them latter today to see what the shoes look like. If I see something good on the nickel table I will jump in and try again. These Costa Rican casinos had such a bad reputation in the past for these rogue casinos running fixed games and stiffing players on pay-offs that they got a bad reputation a few years ago. However Betphoenix is quite popular with the sport betting crowd (mostly all American by the stats I saw) but it is very difficult to get a good take on the fairness of the live casino games there. I try to look at the shuffle as close as I can on my monitor but it is still a bit difficult to see in the small window the dealer is in. It seems legit but in one shoe it seemed like way to many hands were being beat on draw cards. I have never bothered to keep stats on this but in a couple of my losing shoes it seemed I was on the receiving end of bad hit card beats. I just know from experience that usually the side with the highest initial value of the first two card generally wins the hand. Like I said I never kept stats on that but it seems maybe in the 60 to 70% range the side with the highest total on the first two cards wins the hand. Seemed like I was on the short end of the stick a few times yesterday but maybe I was just reading to much into it. I don't see any funny business on the screen but they do reset the servers at midnight and go off the air for 5 minutes or so but when the feed and the shoe resumes it appears to be the same card flow as you would expect from that particular shoe. If anyone here has some experience with the betphoenix live dealer games I would be interested in hearing your experience with them. From a Google search on Live dealer casinos it appears that Dublinbet is the only real brick and mortar casino that has a live feed. All the others are studio versions with the English casinos leading the pack in trustworthiness and the better software package (revolution as I recall). I'll let you know how BP works out for me. Bye the way I am technically an outlaw for doing business with this joint by USA law... so mums the word.

So we left off in the other Casino on Line thread with this from Andrea. Hi Tom, in Italy and in most other Europe countries we still have hand shuffling, COME HERE! ciao andrea __________________ bacclover So Andrea if the politicians don't get the USA online casino laws changed next year I going to start looking for an alternate country. I may need a villa on the corner or Black Orchid Way and Dublinbet Dr.,of course, smack dab in the middle of Grappa county! :biglaugh:

Hey Guys, Maybe it is just me but I just logged out of here a few minutes ago and the Avast anti-virus started telling me that I had picked up a trogan so I put it in the chest and am going back to run a full Malwarebytes scan, however this hole thread is appearing over in the public forum on my machine. Is this just me or are we under attack from green meanies? Thanks PJ, I thought I was seeing things for a minute then my Avast Anti-virus starting freaking out about a TROGAN and it appears AVAST had an internal problem with thier previous update that screwed up the works so if you are runnning AVAST anti-virus there are new definitions out that you can download and this will take care of the problem. It appears to have deleted a couple cleaning applications from my computer that I have to re-download. I hope that is all it amounts too. But guys we should get this thread off the public forum ASAP.