John12345

I am having problems with BP, is anyone else? I takes forever to connect to the table. Usually I get to the connecting part, then socket connecting then it won't connect. This morning it took me around 14 tries, to finally get onto a table. This could be my connection but the rest of my internet is running ok. Anyone else have this problem? I also got a new message that I have never seen before. I got onto a table yesterday and I was waiting 8 plays before starting. By the 5th or 6th play I got a message that told me that I had to bet or I would get kicked off the able. I didn't even get a chance to bet and it kicked me off then I couldn't log-in for another 15 minutes.

I was thinking the same thing about the dealer. It took her a long time to do the shuffle and it seemed like she was new at it. It took awhile to get the shoe started too. I found the cards to be OTB4L favorable too. I played ADOT and started in OTB4L and I won about 11 of my first 9 bets all in OTB4L.

Does anybody know why the 5 dollar BP table is not working????? I have been waiting for hours. All of the other tables have been working.

just an update..I have won 100 shoes in a row. I play the recovery system as AD/OTB4L. I am going to make this my back up system for AD/OTB4L since this capping can sometimes have high drawdowns. If anybody has been following this thread and tries this system, practice first. I don't want to be responsible for you losing money because I won 100 shoes in a row. the next 100 shoes could be all losses, I doubt it but it could happen.

I used PapaJoe's +9 shoe over on the AD thread to make an example shoe in the paint program. This is using AD as the recovery. ATTACH]1254[/ATTACH]

I am up to 81 wins in a row. I did something different the last 10 shoes. Instead of using Maverick as the recovery, I used AD. Ad worked great, especially combined with the SAP Counts. Here is how I played it..very simple. i think it is best if I split the system into 2 modes there is the trigger mode and AD Mode. Trigger Mode: 3 bets. 1) Opposite Last -- PPP B P +1 2) Opposite Last -- PPP BB P +1 3) Follow Last -- PPP BBBB +/- 0 If you win any one of the 3 then stop and wait for a new trigger. If you lose the bet then go into AD Mode. And AD Mode is the AD system. Very simple. I play U1, D1, M2, Play until you are at least 1 unit ahead. Sometimes you will be ahead more When you get to +3 or +4 look to get out with 10-12 decisions to go - FOLLOW THIS RULE if you try this system. In a good shoe you can easily make 5-10 units. Sometimes a bad shoe can produce a high unit win because of the way the progression works. Time to start back testing now. Update: I just went through all of my hard shoes and the AD system did much better. I found that I had to do 2 things 1) monitor the SAP counts very close. sometimes it called for a bet that I did not agree with. If the 3's where really high and AD told me to bet for a 4 in a row then I would bet for the 3 in a row to not turn into a 4 instead, so I would bet with SAP. 2) If AD gets out of sync with the shoe which didn't happen much then i would skip a bet and continue start back up again based off the most recent side that won.

I am up to 70 wins in a row. I can't find that one shoe that I wanted to do a play by play of. I'll keep looking.

Thanks for pointing that post out. I am happy to see that someone else has done some research on this bet. It has been one of the most consistent bets that I have found. Sometimes when I play i feel like I have an advantage.

wow that is a really bad typo. Thanks for pointing that out. I fixed it.

That is true. that is why I sometimes adjust based on the SAP count. But BBBPPB is a winning hand so there is no reason why the 2 should hurt you

I have completed my first example shoe. This shoe finished +4 but I played a little longer than I should have in the example and i finished +5. i consider this a horrible shoe. I have one more shoe to post. I am only posting the hard shoes because the easy shoes should be simple enough to understand. example_shoe.doc

I have 2 example shoes to post and they are both good examples. I have to finish making them and then I will post them. I'll get them posted by the end of the night after I do some work.

I am now up to 57 wins in a row. And i'm averaging well over 5 units per shoe. If I hit 100 wins in a row then I will go out and buy a new scanner and a bank to put my fake money in. I found some shoes that are better examples of what to do when you get down. If anybody is interested then I will post them.

]This system is inspired by Mreteuya. So far I have tested 50 shoes and I won all 50. I only average 5 or 6 units per 6 deck shoe. I will explain the system the best that I can but I do have one problem. Two days ago I got in a fight with my scanner...and I won. Now the problem is that my scanner is in about 10 pieces so I will have to wait until I find a new scanner before I can scan any shoes into this thread. The good news is that this method is very simple and if it doesn't hold up I won't have to worry about scanning anything at all. I like Mreteuya's system and I want to get to the point where I can play his system every decision but that is going to take a lot of studying and practice on my part so it will have to wait until the summer. In the meantime I have been searching for ways to play his system so I can slowly get a better feeling for it and not have to deal with the stress of betting every decision. I am the type of player who has no problem sitting out hands. I have found that this keeps my emotions in check. It is also fun to bet less and walk away with more money than many of the people who bet every single decision. This system involves some waiting but it is worth it. Some of you may have seen me working on a capping method about 10 months ago over on VLS. The original capping method comes from someone named Jim. I took his method and made a few changes to it and I found that the way I play seems to hold up better. The capping bets were very strong but the problem was the recovery phase, I could never find a recovery that I was happy with and worked consistently. A couple of weeks ago I came up with something and it has been working great. But then last night I realized that the key to the recovery phase could be to apply the maverick system to the capping method. So I sat down and pulled out 50 shoes and I kept on winning and winning. I would win 5, 6, 12 units per shoe just as much as some of the bet every decision systems that I play. So i think that there is something to this system. And maybe some of you can take this method and turn it into something even better. The majority of you are much better at this game than I am so it should be interesting to see if any of you can come up with some improvements. first I will explain the capping method that I play: It is very simple. You wait for a streak of 3 or more of the same outcome to be capped by the opposite outcome. This is the trigger. and I am sure this type of bet has been around for ages. So the trigger is BBB P / PPP B or it is PPPP+ B / BBBB+ P Now a lot of people bet for the capped decision to turn into a 2. But I like to bet with the disparity because I have found this bet to be very consistent. So the winning bet is: BBB P B / PPP B P and so on. when I win i stop betting. and wait for the next set up. when I lose I make another bet for the disparity. BBB PP B / PPPPPPP BB P --Both of these bets are winning bets. In this case I am +1 unit so I stop and wait for the next set up again. And if I lose the second bet then here the next winning pattern that I want. BBB PPPP / PPPPPPP BBBB (4) So in this case I am trying to avoid the streak of 3 by betting for a 4 in a row. if I win this bet than I am even at +/- 0 and i will go onto the next capping bet. Now at this point I could begin the recovery phase and try to make 1 unit but I like to take another crack at it with the next set up. These bets alone can win shoe after shoe. Today I went onto bet phoenix and I looked at all 4 tables and I noticed that the first 2 bets carried me all of the way through all 4 tables. 1 of the tables produced a +11 unit profit and the other 3 tables made over 5 units in each shoe. I use the U1, D1, M2 progression. but then later I logged on and looked at the first shoe and I saw a shoe like this B123334 This is one of those ugly shoes where that basic capping bets are not enough to carry you through shoe after shoe. So this is where maverick comes into play, we also know that no mechanical system will work all of the time, so it makes sense to the bets do not always work. The losing pattern is BBBBB+ PPP B following the U1,D1, M2 prog you would be -6 units. So the goal is to recover to at LEAST +1 unit ahead of where you were before. This is where I begin to go through the maverick Check List. I look back at the last 7 plays and do the calculations then choose a side. MAVERICK EVALUATION CHECK LIST: (Use after every 7 plays, AND after two losses in a row.) 1) What has won the majority of the last 7 plays? RD1 or F Series? (Are there more Blue Dots or Red Dots?) 2) Disparity next. 3) Opposite of where RD1 says to bet (anti-Rd1) 4) Under the last side that won. 5) The last side where there was either a 2 or 3 in a row. 6) The side that is favoring either the Red circles (OTB4L) or the blue circles (TB4L) in the last 7 plays. 7) Last but NOT least is your SAP Chart. (I feel like I should add a works cited page. At my University we get kicked out for plagiarism. I hope the same rule doesn't exist for BTC ) To ensure that you go through the check list the right way it is probably a good idea to do all of the tracking as you sit at the table. This way you will not have to rush to figure it all out. It makes a lot of sense to do this since most of the time you will be sitting there waiting for that streak with nothing better to do. I go into RD1 if there are a lot of streaky events. But I tend to go into F3 at the start than I will go into F2 if the recovery process is taking a long time. I have found that going into F3 usually produces a win fast. Here is an example B B B B P Bet B P Bet B P Bet P B now I follow the last side that had 3 which was P P Win and keep betting until at least 1 unit ahead. So bet for P again P Win But I also consider all of the requirements in the check list. More requirements will come into play as the recovery takes longer and more 2's shoe up. but F2/F3 are major players in the recovery phase. I like to start in F3. If i get a loss after the First F3 play then I will begin to check to see what to do based on the list. The SAP Chart: I have not tried this, but I think it may also help if we use a sap chart to track the amount of 3's and 4's. I would keep a sap chart no matter what to help indicate if the bet makes sense. Progression: U1, D1, M2. I find that this progression works bets with the system because it is in your best interest recover fast before the next trigger. When applying Maverick you can recover within a few amount of bets. Stop loss: Up to you. you need to give the progression time to work. I have a early shoe stop loss set up at -30 and mid shoe stop loss at -20 and an end shoe stop loss at -15. If I get to +4 then I don't bet the last 10 decisions of the shoe. Maverick needs time to work. so if you hit that ugly 3 then you will not have time to recover. If I am at +3 then I also consider an exit. My largest drawdown in 50 shoes was -20 and I came back to win at +4. What I like about this system is that it is not solely a trigger based system and it can adapt to the results. It is a bit of a mix of triggers and Maverick and I find it hard to lose with it. This system is probably not stronger than Maverick but I find it to be very simple. I added an example shoe. I did not keep track of the Maverick stuff as I played only because I knew the outcome of the shoe before I played it. And I was not sure how to do the tracking in a word document. I played it more mechanical than I normally would. After losing the first 3 bets I went into F3. If I lost the First F3 bet I would take a look at the check list. This shoe shows how well the maverick system works with the recovery part of the capping system. I ended up having to evaluate the check list (mentally) once and I knew where to go and I came back fast. Without maverick this would have been a losing shoe. Update: I added 1 example shoe so far. This is what I consider a hard shoe. Playing with the AD/OTB4L System: I am up to 81 wins in a row. I did something different the last 10 shoes. Instead of using Maverick as the recovery, I used AD. Ad worked great, especially combined with the SAP Counts. Here is how I played it..very simple. i think it is best if I split the system into 2 modes there is the trigger mode and AD Mode. Trigger Mode: 3 bets. 1) Opposite Last -- PPP B P +1 2) Opposite Last -- PPP BB P +1 3) Follow Last -- PPP BBBB +/- 0 If you win any one of the 3 then stop and wait for a new trigger. If you lose the bet then go into AD Mode. And AD Mode is the AD system. Very simple. I play U1, D1, M2, Play until you are at least 1 unit ahead. Sometimes you will be ahead more When you get to +3 or +4 look to get out with 10-12 decisions to go - FOLLOW THIS RULE if you try this system. In a good shoe you can easily make 5-10 units. Sometimes a bad shoe can produce a high unit win because of the way the progression works. The example shoes do not use this method. This is the one that I am currently trying now. -------------------------------------- I used PapaJoe's +9 shoe over on the AD thread to make an example shoe in the paint program. This is using AD as the recovery. At post #18 I used PapaJoe's +9 shoe over on the AD thread to make an example shoe in the paint program. This is using AD as the recovery. shoe.doc example_shoe.doc

Ok I will keep that in mind. The last time that I was in Claridge they did not have $10 tables but it could have been because that was around Christmas. I usually try to avoid Bally's because it is bad luck for me. I lost too much playing roulette there. But the next time i'm around that casino I'll look at the tables again in Claridge

Good idea..that would be a long trip though. Thanks for the suggestion. I never thought of calling them.

ok thanks for the information. I hope they have 10 dollar tables in PA when they put the table games in.

Do any casinos in Atlantic City have $10 baccarat games? I usually play at Caesars, Harrah's, and the Trump Plaza and they have $20 and $25 tables. Does anybody know if a $10 table even exists in AC? I want to go down this weekend and I would like to play at a 10 dollar table if one is offered.

yea BP isn't really all that bad. It is not my favorite place to play but I play there because of the Laws. I have made multiple withdraws and I have never had a problem and when I have some sort of tech problem, they are always wiling to help me out. A few months ago they had a lot of server issues but they seem to be cleared up. I actually don't need to worry about the online gambling laws. I got very lucky because table games were legalized in PA, so about 7 minutes down the road from me at Harrah's Chester, I will have access to baccarat whenenver I want. I think this is much better than playing online. But either way, I do think that the laws need to be changed. I don't see that coming anytime soon though.

that is a good idea to watch see if their tv is update with your tv. I never thought of that. I also see that it is working fine. I am playing now. Finally.

It is 12:30 am overhere. I logged onto betphoenix at around 12:05am to play some baccarat for real money. Everytime I clicked on the table I would get a message that said that I was not being conntected to the table. So i finally contacted live support. I asked the agent if I can do anything and the agent told me to wait 30 minutes because the dealers are in the middle of a shift change. I have never seen a shift change when I have played on BP and I have played at 12am,1am all of the way to 5am. The weird thing is that I could see that the live video feeds were running, so someone as dealing the cards. this got me thinking..what if BP pre-records all of the shoes and plays them throughout the day. This would give them an advantage, they could edit the videos, and alter the cards. anyone know if this is possible?

I am very confused about F2 and F3 now. The more I play it the more confused I get. I am having trouble with Maverick's system because I do not have a soild understand of F2 and F3. Whenever I play F2/F3 I feel like I am playing RD1 for some reason. Is there anybody who can explain F2/F3 to me in simple terms? I feel like I am close to getting it but something is missing. when I play F2. I either go to the side that had the last two in a row or the side that has the higher disparity. So if i jump on the P side then the next two decisions are B, should I go back to the B side to follow the 2 (and stay there for min of 3)? Ex: PBB Do I follow B now? for 3 decisions? While playing F3: I chose to go into f3 for the same reason as F2. Usually I go with disparity unless there was a recent 3 in a row. If I am playing F3 and I jump on the player side and win 2 bets and lose the next 3 do I go over to the bank side? Ex: PPP BBB Now do I switch to follow 3? what is the difference between this and RD1?

Thanks for the advice I will do this

Thanks for taking the time to replay the shoe and to explain some things to me. When I played I actually played U1D2 with no M2 so I guess I was using M1 and looking back at my score sheet it looks like my highest bet was 3 units. Maybe i made a mistake playing that way. I will try M2 the next time I play. I was also doing waht you said as far as waiting for a prog to lose 3 times before suspending it, so I never had a suspended prog. I will also consider what you say about table selection with this system. the problem is that AC does not have the Tote boards which i am sure you are well aware of. I guess I will just have to monitor the shoe as I play and get out if it does not seem like it will fair well with RD1n. In your opinion do you think that RD1n is ready for live play yet? It seems fairly new and it also seems like some of the conversation about it has died down a bit.

Can someone play this very short shoe and tell me how they did? I played it and finished +5 but it was my first time trying with RD1/n B221121111123 B3