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I read the manual a few times and went through the entire q & a thread. There is one thing that I am a little confused about. it deals with page 10 of the System40 manual. As far as I am aware, when the OR count keeps crossing 0, going from + to - then we want to be in OTB4L because we would be in Neutral, correct? Now page 10 is describing an approach that appears to be different than OTB4L which is When 40 wins an OTR bet it alternates OFF the run, on the run, off, on until the run ends, then back to normal. The opposite progression does the opposite. so what exactly is the difference? Is there an example shoe anywhere of this play? I think I am having trouble visualizing the words.

Thanks for your reply. I see what you are saying and I just realized that the back end of the U.5 D1 is not as strong as the back end of the U1D2 and that the U1D2 does much better when the base bet is losing which is often common for me.

Ellis: How do you feel about the Up.5 D1 prog? This progression was discussed way back last year with the New SAP. I always liked how it was not risky but I never really tried it live. Obviously in a good shoe we wouldn't want to play this prog but do you think it is even worth using now? And as far as the 034 bet is concerned, are you saying that with the "0" unit bet we don't bet at all? I just want to make sure.

After reading some of the details about System 40 Adv I decided to sit down and try to make my own System 40 Advanced since I am waiting to rejoin. Everything is going great for me. i am hitting around +10 per shoe using either a 1,2,1 program or Maverick's progression. So if my verision of System 40 is working then I can't even imagine how great the one must be on the forum.The post above helps me, thanks..now I know that I should not be switching as much. I also think that BTC is taking a very smart apporach with this method. I do not think that there will be too many really bad shoes. I was playing a shoe on monday night at Sands, Pa, it was All streaks, and few 2's. Ellis would have made 100+ units probably playing RD1 alone. Anyway, I'll be back around December 15th after i finish up exams. I can't wait to see how my version system 40 adv compares to the real one.

Ahh my post went away. Anyway..I said that I hit +21 with this shoe and thanks for posting it was good practice for me. My low was +1 using a combo of System40/F2-Repeats. If anyone has been playing on Bet Phoenix lately then the shoes have been great for system 40 although they do look kind of streaky today

Thanks for posting the shoe, it was good practice for me. I scored +21 with my System40/F2RD combo, Low was +1.

Wow great job. I just played a shoe with Maverick made over 30 units. I can't wait to come back to this forum once I get through my busy time of the year. It is worth joining for anyone who is wiling to take the time to learn the systems like jerseyslim has done.

the transaction finally went through

wow 10 days seems like a lot to me. I usually have no problems with BP, I have gotten many withdraws in the past. I guess this is a big downside to online play. I can help a little with this. I asked for 250 so they took 30 bucks out for a fee. usually you get it the next business day. I go to a big red phone in cvs punch in some numbers and they give me a check.

BetPhoenix is getting bad with the payouts. I suggest that you think twice before playing with them. I have been waiting since Sunday to get my Money through MoneyGram. It usually takes 24 hours. They keep telling me to check back and they are changing their times and timezones this is getting crazy. Please wait for a site operator to respond. You are now chatting with 'David H' David H: This is David, how may I help you? John: hi, I have been waiting for the details on my withdraw. I was told to check back yesterday and there was nothing then I was told to check back today David H: You may check back this afternoon after 2pm PST. John: why? i was told to check back this morning at 8am eastern time? did you guys go bankrupt or something? this is crazy David H: These transfers take 24-48 hours, but we are under a small delay. John: ok, it has been 48 hours now. Would you be able to tell me if there is any way that I can contact management because I am very unhappy with what is going on and I am not sure how to contact a manager David H: Anything else I may help you with? David H: Sure, you may contact Cynthia, she will be in this afternoon. David H: Try her in about 2 hours. John: ok and I am assuming that is through phone? David H: Or chat, as you like. John: ok, thank you very much for your help David H: You're welcome! David H: Good day! I am ready to go to war with BP to get my $250 bucks out.

I am getting ready to play my daily session on Bet Phoenix and I noticed that they now have sicbo. what is this game? It looks confusing, anyone know if it is possible to make money playing it? I noticed that they had a 60-1 bet. I decided to bet a dollar. I was going to put the dollar on 4 but I put it on 17 instead, and 4 came up. Too bad I didn't go with my gut.

I find that this method works best if you pay attention to the OT count. sometimes you need to really stop to wait to see where it is going. I am actually not too interested in this system anymore as I have found something that works out better for me..here it is if anyone wants to try it out: I have been trying to come up with something that takes disparity into consideration. Sometimes there are periods within a shoe where staying with one side is the way to go, sometimes this even happes for an entire shoe. Then we also have those shoes that stay within a 50/50 range. I spent awhile playing a system that I called 3D. I took the total disparity and the disparity of the last 3 plays into account, so I had 2 disparity counts going on. If the total disparity is greater than 3, then I bet for whichever side occurred more often in the last 3 plays. I am not sure why I choose greater than 3, my logic (which could be wrong) is that the side would be starting to pull ahead. But I also included the last 3 plays so i would not have to deal with getting on the wrong side of the side that is trying to catch back up, so it still gave me a chance in those 50/50 shoes. If the disparity is less than 3 then I bet with the minority of the last 3 plays. I bet every 3 plays, this includes the last decision that you bet. So you make your bet then wait for 2 extra plays then make another bet. I used the Up1 D2 prog and it worked alright for me. but then I started to notice something. When I had a loss, the decision that I was betting for was usually the next outcome. So to take advantage of this trend I began to use a 111 program. If I hit my bet then I stop and wait for another 3 plays. If I lose the first bet then I bet 2 units. If that bet wins then I stop and wait 3 plays. If I lose the first and second bet then I make the 1 unit bet. Win or lose I wait 3 plays. I added a 5 streak rule which adds betting every single decision when you see a run of 5 and you get until the run ends. then wait 3 decisions and go back to the disparity program I added a 3 Run Event rule that says when you see 3 streaky events in a row such as 222, 333, 323, anything like that and more, you bet with the runs to continue using a 1,2 progression until you lose. 2 bets then wait for another 3 plays and either go with the disparity system, 5 streak program if it applies or 3 run event program I have been able to use a -6 stop-loss which is somewhat small for the system and some of my wins have been as high as +19. I am not too sure if it is long-term yet, but this is something that has been working well for me. If anyone would like more info on it then feel free to ask. But to sum things up the main systems that I am using in this system include -The disparity system -5 streak program -3 streaky event program using a 1,2 prog -a zz program could even be added I am not a fan of betting every single decision so I don't really like doing that unless I have to. This system has a mix of betting every decision and waiting which I like.

Thanks for sharing. Maybe all of those shoes that I played were just luck. I am starting to get some losses as well.

it actually should read this: if you win the first, and lose the second then bet 3 units on the third. Thus 223. As far as OTR is concerned I mean 3 events. So something like 323 322 would count. Unless otb4L has a really strong count then I stay with that.

This shoe finished +15 with a high of +24 there was a moment when I when I started OTR late. I do not go into OTR until I complete my 3 bets of whichever side I was on. ot_n_2.xls

i fixed the entire thing. Go up to Post #1

actually it might make more sense to play OTB4L and TB4L rather than disparity. This way we don't have to deal with losing to the opposite side. This would mean that we would need an O/T count which I would probably cap at +4/-4

yes, I pointed this out as well in my first post. The only thing that we would have have to is maybe reset the count or cap the count I think.

I was working on a system and then a major flaw was pointed out so i went back and fixed it up. Here it is. I will have an example shoe at the end. Systems Used: 1) OTB4L 2) TB4L 3) Neutral System 4) OTR Progression: 2,2,2 program -Lose the first bet, then bet 3 units, win or lose go back down to 2 units {2,3, 2} -Lose the first and second bet, then bet 3 units on the third bet. {2,2,3} -Win both first and second bet, bet 2 units on the third bet. {2,2,2} If at anytime you win all 3, 222 bets then go into exploit mode. Continue betting the winning side until you have a loss. O/T Count: OBTB4L and TB4L. Subtract 1 for each TB4L and add 1 for each OTB4L cap both at +/-4 Keep a SAP count OTB4L: If the OT count is +1 or higher Play OTB4L for at least 3 plays following the 222 program. If you win all 3 plays the continue in exploit mode. If you lose at least 1 play then begin another 3 plays in OTB4L mode TB4L: If the OT count is -1 or higher than follow TB4L for at least 3 plays. Same rules apply as OTB4L Neutral: If you hit +1/0/-1 in the 3-4 times in the last 10-12 plays then go into neutral mode. The mechancial way of playing neutral is to follow the last decision. But I tend to look at more than that. You stay on neutral for at least 3 plays following the 222 program. If you win all 3 bets stay in neutral exploit. OTR If you see 3 confirmed streaky events go into OTR mode. Bet OTR until you get 2 losses then figure out what mode to go into Example shoe High +51 finish +49 tb4l_otb4L.xls

To anyone who is playing online today: I have read think that this could somehow make us lose power if it hits. I don't want to lose power in the middle of my session. I'll probably just play one session now and wait until tomorrow to see what happens. INCOMING CME: The solar eruption of August 7th might affect Earth after all. Newly-arriving data from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) show a CME heading our way with a significant Earth-directed component. http://spaceweather.com/

This this is Suspicious. Out of anger I contacted them asking what if they know why i can't log in. The agent told me that they are updating the system. So they just happen to be updating the system after producing an choppy shoe like the one above. They are probably adding some cards to the deck and beating the dealer who washed the cards as I type this. here is the conversation. soccerball66@gmail.com: hi, i cannot log into a baccarat table. When i try it says that I am already logged in which I am not. do you happen to know what is going on? Sylvia: They are upgrading the system right now Sylvia: it will be back in about one hour soccerball66@gmail.com: Ok. thanks for your help

ooh ok. I was hoping you had some special trick to get into the games. they must not be running a shoe now. it says We'll be right back. Maybe they got wiped out because of all of those chops. I played a shoe today that was sort of the opposite. It only had a few 1's and mostly 4+'s.

I can't even log into the damn table. How the hell are you getting in??????????????? I keep getting the you are already logged in error. I'm about to pull my money out. But thanks for the warning. If I ever get in I'll watch out for those chops and maybe think about running system 40

Things have been better for me until today. I woke up and saw that a new shoe was starting. I tried to get into it and I kept getting a message saying that I was already logged in. It took me 20 minutes to get into the shoe that was RD1 ripe. I got in and missed out on +10 units early in the shoe. I was so pissed off that I decided to flat bet the entire time because I felt the shoe would change. It changed and became real choppy but the joke was on them..I still won 5 unints, they lost and will contunue to lose.

glad to hear you got in. I just logged in to look at the results of a shoe and I actually got in for the first time. I am starting to wonder if it has something to do with the amount of people playing. Maybe around this time there is a low volume of people at the table. Who knows. I have not been getting a video feed for about the last 3 days. I usually have that black screen that says video or something like that.