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I am learning something new everyday! Yes Ellis if i am not sure i will not play. This is risk management by my ownself. It is only with your comments and criticism that we will improve at the game! Besides, you are the best person to learn from! =)

Yes Ellis i will learn how to identify the stronger bias tables. It is easy to spot them just by glancing at the tote boards. Maybe i hesitate too much sometimes as i always make sure i count OR and SAP before jumping in. That is why players in Asia say the shoes are basically trendless or a mixture in both casinos in Singapore.

Yes Ellis! I am always late and always see these beautiful shoes and when i got to the table they have already gone by 20 hands. However are we supposed to observe the shoe for 15 to 20 hands before jumping in? OR and system to use is always established by 20th hand right? If i have entered from the beginning, i will not know which system to use. Thank you i will wait for your posting on the shoe. Take a good rest. Yes i suppose Singaporeans would attend a seminar in the morning if it is held on weekends (saturday or sunday)

Ellis it would be great to have you and Keith come to Singapore! I will volunteer to help out for the seminar too! As i know John will be heading to Vegas in Dec so perhaps your asia tour will be arranged next year?

Yes i hit +22 Ellis. Can i bother you one more time to play the following shoe? P 1111112121111122 (i started after the above and scored -6 due to modes) P 13241111413 B 131172131 P 1111232121

Hi fluppocinonys, Great to know another Singaporean is here in the forum. I am trying to gather BTC players in asia to meet up for networking so as to improve on our game. I have been able to find many choppy shoes at RWS in the past week. S40 works pretty well for some of the shoes. You are correct. Some beautiful shoes attract a large crowd in no time and i couldn't even squeeze in to bet not to mention to get a seat. However there are still quite ok shoes available. Trends in a shoe will change but we try to get out before falling into the trap. I also learned from my mistakes and hope to improve on my next game.

OH YES!!! You are right! I'm fooled by the separate columns! Gotta be more observant hee hee. =)

There are no 6 in a row Ellis. However i am able to get the same answer as you and i can understand the way you bet. I will practice on my other shoes.

Yes Ellis i have! We are trying to network among Asia BTC members so as to help each other improve at the game.

Yes Ellis that was what i've noticed in some choppy shoes. The modes are not consistent at all. That was why i lost my chips. I know how to handle it next time after your explanation. Thank you very much! =)

This is the way we write out the score Shoe #1 B113121231112 (Banker is the first result of the play so 113121231112 is BPBBBPBBPBBPPPBPBPP) We also write each line with 20 hands per line for easy recording.

Hi CasinoBankrupt, Let me explain the abbreviations here NOR - Stands for Neutral, Opposite, Repeats +9 - means you are up by 9 units -8 - means our cut loss is maximum 8 units ( never lose beyond that ) S40 - name of one of the system in NOR Choppy shoe - alternate example BPBPBPBP This is call choppy shoe OTB4L - Opposite before Time Last 4's or 5's straight - means 4 in a row or 5 in a row (BBBB PPPPP)

I understand why after you explained it. So once we lose on one mode, we will change to the other mode automatically correct? Are there any cases whereby the modes change back again? (example mode 3 we lost, change to mode 2 and lost again)

Ellis thank you for this step by step explanation. I want to ask why do you bet 4 units on hand 47 and placed 1 on hand 57 instead?

Thank you Ellis for the reply. You are right! The shoe had already gone 20 plays before i got there. So upon seeing such beautiful shoe, i jumped in but encountered the 3's and 4's after few hands and i made mistakes by the modes. Now that you've explained, i know how to bet next time. However i have replayed the shoe again and if i choose mode 2, i will win most of the 3rd bet (3 units) and not mode 3.

Ellis you've mistaken. I posted my questions in the private forum NOT public. =)

Hi Danicito, I use prog 1234. To me it is easier and stress free. U1D2M2 may be a better betting system for more winnings. I will try it on my next trip.

Thank you Core for sharing your version. However I only join the table when I walk around and chance upon potential bias shoes. After calculating OR and SAP then I join. So if you play from the beginning it will be different. If you start the hand same as me how will you play? For the second shoe maybe you are right I missed the good part and started with the more difficult ones. But I didn't know it will appear like that since OR is so high! I must learn to conquer those 3's and 4's.

Another question from me. I understand that OTB4L is betting opposite time before last win. However when we are applying it on the tables, how do we bet after losing prog 1? Example, it is BP so we will bet P right? But it turn out B so we lost the 1st unit. Then it is now BPB do we bet OTB4L for B or continue to place 2 units on P following first bet? i am confuse here. If it opens BPBP then we lost again cos this is due to multiples of 1's and 2 units are gone again. I have seen and copied down shoes with 2's and 3's but suddenly multiple 1's came out and as i play them on paper, i lost.

Hi Core, I think you really product fast results! Congratulations! I think we can share this thread and post our experiences with the tables but since this is in public forum, we may not want to write too much about how to play the systems. I love to read your trip reports too! Those who are interested and serious about the game should join the private forum. Anyway to get back the membership fees is easily achievable since both of us has done it! (A pat on the back for us) I will post some questions in the private forum and hope you can add your share of how you play. 8k in 2 days is awesome! Thank you.

I need a little help on how to place my bets after losing 3 times with prog 123. As you know, when we lost 2 times with S40, the run is already 3 in a row. I always win the 1st circle but lost to 2nd and 3rd circle (so that will be prog 12 already) so if i make 3 the LC, does it mean that 3 circles already define that i should bet my 3rd hand on OTR? Another problem is when i choose to stay mode 3 (lost 3 times) before going OTR, the run is already 4 circles and i have lost 6 units with 123 prog. Then i go OTR with 4 units and lost since the run stops at 4. I am confused that whether should i stay on the same side or go OTR with the 4 units? Even when i choose a really bias shoe, i encounter the problem with mode 3. But i can't possibly choose mode 2 as there are no indications in the shoe. Live shoe played yesterday: B 121222111222115211 I saw the above and started playing. Does the 5 indicated anything? Then came the following: B 112141132312 B 51611 I was in +5 but since i hit the 4 i started to lose and ended up with a -9!!!!???!!! WTH! Another beautiful shoe i found P 1111112121111122 I jumped in after seeing the above Then came the horror P 13241111413 B 131172131 P 1111232121 I cannot understand why i score a -6 for this shoe??? The problem is i keep losing to the prog 123 on the wrong side and i did not bet the 4units or go OTR as my confidence was affected. When i did win on the ZZ 1's and 2's, i was only getting back my losses. These 2 shoes really affected me yesterday. However i did win a +14 and +20 in 2 other shoes so overall still a win. However i want to learn how to overcome the 3 losses part and how to bet after prog 123? It seems tricky as the mode changes in the shoe. Sometimes i win at 123 but sometimes lost and i am not sure how to bet the 4 units and stopped betting. When i start i always go back to 1 unit again and that's why i lose the shoe. What i mean is the mode changes in one single shoe and confused me. Can anyone please enlighten me?

Wow Core you did much better than me! Congrats on your win too! Let's learn together and become consistent winners!

Thank you Danicito! I will continue to study hard. =)

Thank you MVSeahog for your encouragement and well wishes. Come to Singapore with Zebra! =)