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Yes more practice and you will get the hang of it. I will chart all 3 systems for the shoe and compare which is the best to use. You will also discover the overlapping advantage in each system and how good you score for each system.

Hi Spike, You can read this whole thread on modes. http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6637 I posted that when i first joined cos i was confused too!

Lol welcome to the forum Harrican & Spike! If you are confuse just ask questions and all members here will try to help. I had alot of good advice from senior members when i first joined. You guys can also read my postings on "How to bet after 3 losses"

Yes i agree with BigVic. I read the post about someone offering to teach NOR for free to BF members. It was shocking. We should all respect copyright issues.

Hi Napoleonbp, Welcome to the forum! If you want reviews on NOR, you can read my trip report here http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6634 So far NOR has been a good guide and playing method for me. It is worth an investment. Most of us got back our membership on our first trip to the casino anyway.

That's why it is so hard to find bias tables and shoes now. Even when a shoe start off beautiful it wouldn't even last 10 hands and it will change again. How to play?

Hi Ellis, From what i found out from the pit bosses, my local casino RWS actually have a shuffle room where new cards are shuffled before they release it to the tables. Then at the tables they have yet another machine attached to shuffle the cards after a shoe is completed. So a new shoe begins with a full 8 deck bundle in a clear plastic box which they take out from the machine at the table and then players can choose to cut the cards, then burn cards accordingly. After a shoe is completed, they will keep the cards back into the machine by the side of the table and then the machine will bring up another 8 deck bundle in a clear plastic box for the next new shoe. I noticed that sometimes after a blue deck, a red deck is used. However most of the time, the deck colors may be the same for 3 shoes (e.g 3 blue decks) then another color deck (red deck) will appear. I dunno whether these affects the shoe results.

Thanks Ellis for posting the shoe. I noticed that my local casino has lots of similar shoe recently and it is hard to beat sometimes. The modes also changed too frequently.

Hi Paul, Is it possible to post the shoe here or the private forum? I would like to have a go at it for practice purpose.

Welcome Ivan and CdnChamer!

Lol Knightbac so you still having doubts? I will tell you that NOR is definitely a worthwhile investment. Myself and other new members had earned back the course fee in our first trip! You have to believe to learn. Hope to play with you at RWS soon!

Welcome to the forum Bacqueen!

Sure Mike we can arrange someday!

Welcome to BTC Mike!

Perhaps you can do a better chinese version of introduction. I read it and feel that this is just a translation of what Ellis said in English hahahah. What people wanna know is how NOR can be applied at the tables. The power of the overlapping system etc. If you can verse it in Mandarin, that will be great!

I would like to show my support for Core and to verify that he is really one of the better players among us newbies playing NOR! I went to join him in Genting Malaysia for 4 days and playing together with him was a really good experience! We shared tips and discussed on shoes played and made some improvements too. I won RM2400 too using NOR systems at the tables. What i wanna say is that the chips are real and i personally witnessed Core's winnings! From a nearly empty box to it being full was impressive! All the way Core! Keep burning the tables!

Yes i believe so. It is quite straight forward and easy to understand. However it will be good to have sample shoes to show how we place the bets. As the shoes in my local casino seems to be so mixed and modes always changed too many times, i feel that sometimes i have to use 2 systems in one shoe.

Have been testing out the new OTR method for OTB4L at casino and more units were hit! I see an improvement on hit rate. Thanks Ellis for the revision!

I'm first Ellis! Lol i read through the manual 2 times and caught on with the part that you mentioned has been revised. Now for OTB4L we go OTR for only 1 time only regardless that we are playing mode 2? That changes things alot! I replayed some of my shoes and it did made a difference! Can you confirm that?

Lol Ellis you are the master!

Well done d0main! Nice to hear that another person has good result from NOR.

Thank you Ellis for answering Kelvin's question. Yes you are right i used mode 2 for the 5 in a row as i took an early OTR instead of mode 3. I placed 1 unit OTR to test if it hits. Since it does i followed it again. So i never had to place 3 units bet.

Hi Moneybac, Thanks for sharing your experiences. So you mean that you will do the reverse way? Enter a shoe when it is difficult and wait till it changes for the better? I rather enter at the easy part and make my units first. Like Ellis said, i have to get to those tables faster, win and get out! =)

Sure Ellis, you can do a webinar too if you like. The great thing about you being here is that we will get to learn from the best and play some sessions with you! I guess you would like to visit our casinos too don't you? We do have nice casinos here =)

Wow tjfiles, glad i'm not the only one trying to understand the modes. Thank you for posting the shoe! Do you wanna try playing this? I am still waiting for Ellis's answer. =) P 1111112121111122 (i started after the above and scored -6 due to modes) P 13241111413 B 131172131 P 1111232121