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Thank you Dr. Ellis! Yes i'm following your teachings strictly and making sure i double check everything before starting to play. I will remember what you say and continue to learn and gain more experience.

Lol Thank you Paul i guess i was lucky to find these 2 shoes tonight! I was lurking around the tables like a hawk hahahah! I saw some streaky shoes too but did not have the confidence to play them. The tables were very crowded and they turned out weird at the end. Let me know if you are coming to Singapore! I would really be glad to play host and we'll go play together! As it's my first time playing NOR, i am still not too sure how to spot a really bias table (those requiring OTB4L or F system) S40 is easy to find. I took some time to count the OR and SAP as well. People looked at me with puzzled faces. For the 2 shoes played tonite, i was the only one recording the scores at the tables, the pitboss even asked me what kind of "secret weapon" am i using as my chips were going up! One guy sitting beside me asked if he could look at my scoresheet but he could not understand it. He asked why am i charting it vertically?? Lol!

Oh i forgot to mention that the shoes were played in Resort World Sentosa Singapore today. Just calculated the P.A just for fun: Shoe 1 : Net win : +13 units Total bets : 62 units P.A. : 20% Shoe 2 : Net win : +15 units Total bets : 69 units P.A. : 21% Average P.A. for 2 shoes played : 21%

You can view the page at http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/content.php?r=1704-My-Halloween-Birthday-Trip-Report!

Happy Halloween to all members! Today also happen to be my birthday (the reason for my nick) and i decided to make a trip to the casino to try out NOR after studying and practicing for a whole week! I also feel lucky since it's my birthday! Here is my trip report to share with all of you. Reached the casino and remembering what i learned step by step, i took a score card and planned how to chart by writing down the various columns in vertical mode (OR, P, B, Score). Next i went around looking at the toteboards and try to spot a bias table. I observed quite a while and playing NOR in my head to test out my accuracy. I also counted the OR and SAP to check which system to play. After roaming around for 1 hour, i finally found a very bias table and with confidence, i buy in and started playing. First shoe i played today with very strong S40 P211111111121111211 (i start playing after these came out) So the following were the hands i played B111121211115122 P221111223223 The whole shoe ended. Result was +13 units at $25 each. The highest i hit was +20 and I used 123 prog and never had to bet more than 2 units. OR at the last hand was +23! Very strong S40 right? I could have changed to 234 or 345 but since it is my first time playing NOR and to be safe i stick to 123. I could have stopped playing at my highest +20 but i wanted to finish the whole shoe. Nevertheless it was a good game! Next i took a 30 mins break and after that continued to find a good table. Spotted another bias table at the smoking zone similar to the first shoe i played! Jumped in without fear and played S40 too! 2nd shoe was as follows: B1121121122 (after seeing these and double check i started playing) Started from these hands: P121512112128 P2211412122 B12111111 The shoe ended. OR count at last hand was +10. Result i scored +15 units at $25 each and also using 123 prog. This score is the highest for this shoe. I know i know, i should have used 234 or 345 but i did not again. Too excited and happy because i'm playing with confidence and totally different from my previous trips to the casino. Last time i was betting with fear and playing the guessing game. Now that i learned NOR, it changed the game totally for me! Total 2 shoes played today with +13 and +15 = 28units @ $25 = $700 and I got my membership fees back! I played non-commission table so it's really awesome for my first time results. I am so glad i found this forum and more glad that i learned NOR! Thank you so much Dr. Ellis and Keith for putting up this awesome system so that we can become consistent winners and players! I will continue to practice hard and learn more! This concludes my first trip report and applying NOR at the game. For those who are hesitating to join the private forum, you are missing out on real solid stuff! Please join if you want to be a winner! Lastly Happy Halloween to all! Have a spooky time! (P.S. It's 11.40pm here in Singapore and my birthday is nearly over. Still, i am a really happy girl today!)

Hi Core, Welcome to the private forum! You made it! First download the S40 and F2 manual and read them so that you know how the system works. The examples in the manual will teach you how to count OR and SAP. Then go read THE NOR APPROACH thread and the NOR Questions & Answers. All the steps are explained inside the threads. Practice on some shoes provided by the members with the 3 systems yourself and you will slowly understand.

Thank you Dr. Ellis for your explanation. I know the latest NOR systems only consists of mode 2 and mode 3. My confusion was due to the sample shoes posted in past threads and i have seen that members played it differently then and there was as high as 5 losing bets before changing sides? Now it is simply losing 2 or 3 times before we switch side or stop betting. S40 mode 2 or 3 F2 or F3 OTB4L mode 2 or 3 that is all in the latest version of NOR am i correct? Lol i am not scaring you Dr. Ellis. I will make sure that i've practiced enough and understood the 3 systems before i step into the casino. Have a good day!

Thank you Paul! Finally someone answered my questions! So just for discussion purpose, S40 will be a better system for this shoe? Will OTB4L work as well? Like you say i would probably get out too once i hit the winning units and not stayed till the streak anyway.

Yes Dr. Ellis i understand totally what you mean. I guess now Core should have an idea of what you are trying to talk about. I totally agree with what you have said as some of my friends have bad experiences with those "con artists" as well. I guess it's time to get them to join BTC! But i have to prove to them my results first before they are convinced lol. My bankroll is always $1000 when i step into the casino but my cut loss is $300 so i will not go beyond that. We need to be disciplined too so that we will be a winner. Now with your systems in place and discipline, i do not see why we cannot win.

Thanks Danicito, i will probably go in 1 or 2 weeks time after making sure i've learned all that i should learn and also including practice and practice! =) Thank you Bill. I like your suggestions especially for a beginner like me. Appreciate it! =)

Hi Danicito, My answers to your questions are based on my own opinions after joining the private forum. 1. NOR (consist of 3 systems) and are easy to learn. I read the explanations a few times and understood it. 2. Yes on the score card i also put it O/R count and SAP counts. I believe if you want to learn something, learn all of it. 3. I would say yes because with NOR, i know the next time i will not be guessing on my bets. NOR tells you what to bet. Hope to see you and Core in the private forum! Let's all learn together and win! =)

Hi Core, Yes i just joined the private forum 3 days ago on sunday! If you have played baccarat and understand the rules, you will know why the systems can be applied successfully in the game! I have spent 3 days pouring all over the content in the private forum and i practically live and breathe baccarat even during sleeping hahah. My opinion is that the system will definitely help us play the game better and eliminates the guessing part. Before i have any knowledge of the system, i placed my bets on guessing whether next hand is banker or player by looking at the 4 other charts (bead road, big eyes, small road and cockroach) and they are sometimes right and sometimes wrong. Now that i learned NOR, i know i dun have to anymore. I am currently practicing shoes on paper with the 3 systems i learned and once ready, i will step into the casino again and i know i'll win!

Lol Dr. Ellis, I understand Core's concern as let's say if we really did proper table selection and have checked O/R and SAP counts and picked a system but "SUPER UNLUCKY" we placed our 1st 3 bets in progression 123 (6 units) and 3 times we all lose the bets. Then what shall we do if our cut loss is 8 units and there are 2 more units left?

Hi John, If you could organize a gathering that would be great! I am interested to join you in any discussion or go together for live shoes at RWS or MBS. I am now still studying the 3 systems and practicing on paper first. Perhaps next week i will be ready to go practical for the first time! Let me know ok?

So that is to say if we combine O/R count and SAP count and then choose a table which is biased, we will have a good chance of winning? I feel that SAP helps to determine the LC and so we will know to go mode 2 or mode 3? But how often do we need to check SAP? Every 10 hands? Also for O/R count do we need to monitor the change in it as well so that we will always be prepared to change our system if necessary? For e.g. if a shoe goes choppy but mid way changed drastically with a long streak of 13, how do we know SAP will help since there are no indications before the streak. This is only an example shoe i quote but do we play S40 in first 2 columns? then the 13 streak comes will S40 still work or should we change to F? This kind of shoe i have seen many times in Singapore casino. E.g. B 31211411321 p 31211123311 P [13] 21241321 I am still not sure about the latest NOR modes. Are these correct? Can you enlighten me on the various 3? 1. S40 - lose 3 bets or 4 bets before changing side? 2. F2, 3 - when to lose 2 and when to lose 3 before changing side? 3. OTB4L - still a little confused on this. Also how many times to lose before changing side? OTB4L means bet on the side opposite the win before last win right? so if it is BB we bet P, BP we bet P PP we bet B PB we bet B Correct? Also how many hands is appropriate before we join the table and play? Will 15 to 20 hands be better than a 40 to 60 hands? Normally a shoe ends around 74 hands from what i noticed in Singapore casino (8 decks) The long streaks normally comes in mid shoe and if i wanna play it safe, would it be better to join early or catch the ending phrase? Sorry but i think that's a lot of questions one shot. Please dun mind me. =P

Lol Dr. Ellis you are a funny man! I will put what i learn to test first. If it works for me then my friends will be amazed and join! I am a pretty good affiliate marketer you know. That's what i do for a living anyway hee hee.

So that is to say if we combine O/R count and SAP count and then choose a table which is biased, we will have a good chance of winning? I feel that SAP helps to determine the LC and so we will know to go mode 2 or mode 3? But how often do we need to check SAP? Every 10 hands? Also for O/R count do we need to monitor the change in it as well so that we will always be prepared to change our system if necessary? For e.g. if a shoe goes choppy but mid way changed drastically with a long streak of 13, how do we know SAP will help since there are no indications before the streak. This is only an example shoe i quote but do we play S40 in first 2 columns? then the 13 streak comes will S40 still work or should we change to F? This kind of shoe i have seen many times in Singapore casino. E.g. B 31211411321 p 31211123311 P [13] 21241321 I am still not sure about the latest NOR modes. Are these correct? Can you enlighten me on the various 3? 1. S40 - lose 3 bets or 4 bets before changing side? 2. F2, 3 - when to lose 2 and when to lose 3 before changing side? 3. OTB4L - still a little confused on this. Also how many times to lose before changing side? OTB4L means bet on the side opposite the win before last win right? so if it is BB we bet P, BP we bet P PP we bet B PB we bet B Correct? Also how many hands is appropriate before we join the table and play? Will 15 to 20 hands be better than a 40 to 60 hands? Normally a shoe ends around 74 hands from what i noticed in Singapore casino (8 decks) The long streaks normally comes in mid shoe and if i wanna play it safe, would it be better to join early or catch the ending phrase? Sorry but i think that's a lot of questions one shot. Please dun mind me. =P

Yes Sir! =) I also feel that i should start collecting my own score cards so that i can also practice on shoes with the 3 new systems i learned. I can just go around the casino and copy them from the toteboards lol. For the past 2 months i guess i've played at least 30 shoes but it's more of hit and run. I recall now on my best "lucky" stint that i'd won 6 hands straight with flat betting at 1 unit and i was actually playing S40 without any knowledge of it and just guessing that the next result will be opposite! After i won i bet the opposite! I was lucky on that shoe as it went PBPBPBP lol. If i had learned NOR then i would have stayed on with confidence! I also recalled that sometimes i lost 2 bets in a row on betting the same side and i persisted to bet the 3rd hand and i won my chips back! All these steps i can see in S40 system now that i understand it. Now that i understand NOR, i can understand why i had won my money and why i have lost! I wish i have learned NOR sooner! I know now that when i am ready to step into the casino again, i will not be betting on luck and guessing blindly. I will be playing with a system that works and that gives me the confidence i need! Gambling with fear is the worse thing you can experience in a casino (unless you love the thrill and excitement it brings lol)

Thank you so much! Now I'm clear that I am understanding the correct stuff.

Thank you Paul for this explanation. Now I understand it better. So if there are 2 equal values (e.g. Heading 2 and 3 are the same 16 and 16) which will be the correct LC?

Hello everyone, I'm a new member and after reading through the threads i wanna be sure that i'm going in the right direction. Can someone tell me whether i'm right or wrong? This is what i have gathered from reading the information available. 1. First i learn how to do an O/R count from the toteboard - Is it necessary to count the O/R from play #2 onwards to the current hand? If i enter a shoe mid way say #50 do i need to count from #2 to #50 to decide whether it is in + or - and decide on what system to play? 2. Do i need to copy all hands played on the score sheet if i enter the shoe mid way? 3. What does it mean to say the least entry of heading 1 2 3 4 is the least common (culprit). If e.g. 1 2 3 4 has value of 13 8 16 10 then does it mean 2 is the LC cos it is the least entry value? I'm confused at this part.