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Vince.....believe the 221.....is what Keith and friends use in the past to beat roulette and than bac...??? Keith had an online seminar couple years back to teach it..........? It can quickly get out of hand and end up making large bets ? Fabonacci I believe ? Spelling may be wrong ... Thanks........correct me if I'm wrong................

THANKS JMONEY..........CONTINUED SUCCESS ! johnny

JMONEY45 , Thanks for sharing ! Have you tried this with craps ? thanks.......johnny

THANKS McVINCE... I AGREE......!! HOPE HIS NEW METHOD IS HIS BEST YET AND LIVES UP TO WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT IT !!

Hello Mc..........Think Ellis has "The Key " ......as he claims , with his new MVD method ! Says...all this stuff here , on this forum, that he mostly developed , ....now obsolete !! ??? Any thoughts ? Thanks ....johnny

PAPAJOE....GREAT PICTURE OF YOU AND NORM !! HAVE YOU SEEN KEITHS NEW THREAD AND THE SAFE BLACKJACK METHOD THAT MIKE USED WITH SUCCESS ?

What city in California ? thanks...johnny

I heard of a guy , few years back....that made a ton of money (Vegas) ...that waited for 3 IAR, and bet a 124 , that it would not go 4 ,5 or 6..and when it did , flat bet the run , until it gave out ! He found the method in some cheapy gambling book . My friend , seen , the method in action ! And the money his friend won using this mechanical system. Incidentally , this friend that told me about this 3 IAR method...we met over 25 years ago , at a baccarat table , in Vegas, when we both realized we were both using a method that we purchased from Ellis......way back over 25 years ago !!! The method did not work for either Tim or I or other people that we knew who had purchased !! But , credit to Ellis , I asked for a refund and got a refund , maybe a week later !! Think Ellis was still living in Saratoga , upstate NY. I have not played it....but I have monitored , the tote board at my local casino , 2 miles down the highway . It is a winner , about 96 % of the time , for how I would play it....a hit & run....pick up 1 black unit , stop loss of 3.........and out of there !! All I am interested in ....is a 1 unit win ! Couple times a week ! I recall reading on some forum , a stat , that 82 % of the time a 3 will not to 4 . Considering a 1 day trip to Vegas , up in the morning , back on a late night flight and check this out at the Palazoo Stadium Bac Consoles , that have a 5 dollar minimum , see how it does in actually play .

HI brad , Good words ! Talked to my friend in depth today over the phone about the method . He is the one that shared it with me and seen the coffee cans with the cash ! Like Vic said......The Coffee Can Method !! .... He told me they had a group of guys , some time back that use to get together over bac and go over Ellis methods that they all had bought . In fact thats how I met this guy . We realized that we were both playing the same Ellis method at the same table in Las Vegas . This was back in the 90's . Of course the method did not work . It was a simple method with a money back guarantee (sp?) from Ellis, if you sent the shoes played to him when asking for a refund. I did and Ellis sent me a refund, which impressed me.....cause I never thought I would hear back from him. So Tim and I remained friends thru the years over the phone and internet......Anyway...this group of guys was shown this "Coffee Can Method"..........many times whenever the guys got together for an Ellis methods brainstorming.........they played it , in practice , together , with shoes they all had played in the past and against Zumma , for what it's worth and the method was a winner ! I was at my local,today, 2 miles down the road casino here in Albuquerque....checked out the tote .......and it would have won easily ! So , like I mention before......I will be investigating.........and if it's promising , and I play it eventually and it wins.....I will be like Kevin and share it ! Hey Brad....Cruz pulled the upset ! It was a great fight !! B.J.Penn , showed up here in Albuquerque, unannounced, at Albuquerque's Jackson-Wink MMA Gym!! He is ending a 2 year retirement and train with Albuquerque's Greg Jackson and aim at winning a 3rd weight title !! How bout that !! He won UFC titles at 155 , 170 and now going for Feather Weight 145 pounds ! Tough Guy ! Also Albuquerque's Carlos Condit is mulling over the possibility of retirement after his loss to Robbie Lawler ! Also Holly Holm was inducted into the Hall Of Fame here locally !! What a great gal !! Sweet as Sugar ! She is going to fight a gal before the rematch with Rousey ! Which I think will be a little later in the year than July ! I will be at that rematch , Good Lord Willing !! Thanks Everyone !!........johnny

All the shoes shown in this thread and others, I have been applying a method that a friends , friend , has used for past few years and has won a ton of money. I have not played it...but just quickly and simply looked at posted shoes , or glanced at the totes at my local casino 2 miles down the road from home....and it looks promising ! A very simply method without having to use all the pre-requisites for all the systems on BTC dating all the way back years ago , that work sometimes and other times don't ! Mostly don't , IMHO..:) Or else IMHO , we would see a lot more people like the waytofast's and the Kevin's posting their success!! Agree ? Or am I wrong ? I know if I was constantly a winner.......I would be ! And not constantly trying to come up with something that may work ! Because what we already have is not working for the masses! Speaking for myself.....I find all the one's posted here and on Ellis's new site........in the heat of the battle , at the table of chain smoking players , yelling monkey , monkey.......behind a few large units........hard to analyze whats going on and what I should do next !! :)......because of the distractions I mentioned ! : If I do eventually play it and successful , I will share it here . My friend seen coffee cans that this guy had filled with cash winnings ! LOL ...He says that this guy was a little different.......why coffee cans...probably did not trust banks ??? LOL

Just like any systems on here or out there by other developers.... AT TIMES THEY WORK AND OTHER TIMES THEY DON'T !! Thats why the search here and elsewhere continues.........look how many Elli's has put out !

Brad... Busy with travel and the holidays ! Have a Great Holiday Season and same to all ! Thanks, johnny

Over on Elli's new web site....Papa Joe and a couple of other guys are saying Elli's new LCNB method ( least common net betting ) are doing well with it usin a 2Hi bet.......that was Norms favorite progression and also Papa joe's I think ? THANKS !

THANKS tj , APPRECIATE YOUR IMPUT.... I was thinking , maybe it was just me , the thing about the smokers ! lol I could probably handle that issue , if we had a fast in and out pick up a few greens or even black....but gotta wait on those triggers is what we have now which takes a bit of , just sit there time ! Maybe S-40 and the modes , that Keith recently posted on the private forum , where every hand is played , might be the way to go ? And by the way , Keith did a great job of explaining that play on the video. johnny/albuquerque

thanks kevin and brad !!! tough to play bac here in albuquerque at my casino few miles down the street.... only one table......sometimes 2........loaded with chain smokers in a small high stakes room... couple that with waiting on the triggers and playing very few hands.....not my cup of tea , I've decided ! Have to almost sit there a better part of the day with the smokers... I have a craps play I have been running thru Wizard of Odds free dice play which uses a random generator....but don't know if the results can be trusted ? I don't lose with it........so that might be the red flag ? LOL Next step may be ... live dry run testing....

That tape method sounds a little if"y to me to pickup a $100 a day .... So...how about a crap method that could maybe do a 100 a day.....that I could use at my local casino a couple miles down the road ?? Anyone know of a fairly safe craps method that would be a good "hit & run " 50 to 100 a day .... Thanks ! / albuquerque

Hi Kevin.... If I was still going I would not drive as I fly free....... But just now decided not to go but was looking forward to it !

KEITH YOU DID A GREAT PRESENTATION ON THIS !! WELL DONE !!.....SURE ALL WILL AGREE !! THANK YOU johnny/albuquerque

ANDREA.... SORRY about YOUR LOSS . johnny

So , thats it ? No more Ellis ? Is he not allowed to post on the forum , ever again ? johnny

Again , my question was avoided !! Ellis did post to the thread just above this one........why not my question ??????????????? I'm 0 for 4 !!! Not good !!!!! Cannot get a simple answer to a simple question.........with a simple .....yes or no to my question !!!

Thought I would try one last time for the latest on the U2Hi . Have asked 3 or 4 times addressed specifically to Ellis , Keith , Steve ! I did get a private message from Steve saying Ellis maybe has not answered because of health issues . I think Ellis is feeling better, thank God, because of long postings on the Public Forum , but I can't get even a one liner on the Private Forum in answer to my question : " WHAT IS THE LATEST ON U2Hi " ? iS IT STILL A METHOD THAT .........QUOTE : MECHANICALLY BEAT ANY SHOE ANYTIME ANY PLACE " THANKS

THANKS KEVIN ! Last thing was , I believe Ellis mentioning further testing was going to be done.....guess thats where its at .. I was also waiting for the dust to settle before a purchase...

Kevin... Maybe you can answer what I have asked 3 times ( and others have also ) ...whats up with U2Hi....suppose to have been the mechanical system to beat any game , anywhere , anytime ! Like I said....asked 3 times on the forum ....no responce from anyone ! NOT GOOD !! It went from the greatest thing since sliced whole wheat bread ...to complete silence ! Unless one is on the U2Hi Private Forum ! Not a word from " Dr E ? "

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