T- You know my opinion on this one. I too look at +5 as my exit point no ifs, and's or buts. Regardless of how the shoe is going, if I win my first 5 plays I'm out, it's that simple. On the flip side I am out at -5. I have looked back at hundreds of shoes that I played and if I had played to +5 I would have won most if not many of my losing shoes. I don't know if it's right or wrong but I know it's the way I play. I'm not trying to set a record for the most units won in a shoe all I care about is the bank roll (If it's growing that I'm happy). I'm sure a lot of players can look back at their previous shoes and realize that +5 is easy- but try to be greedy to pull in at +20 is a lot harder. So it may take me 4 or 5 shoes to get to +20 for the day but I'm OK with that.