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Test, I wrote a long post and it didn't go through (or I can't find it) so this is my 2nd attempt.

I have a few questions about the System 40.

The system is $229 and $50 a month? What does the $50 a month get me?

I live in San Diego, CA are there any casinos in California that deal baccarat I can use this system on or is Las Vegas the nearest place I must go to?

Is there any way to practice the S40 or do I have to play at a live game and risk my money to learn? I ask this because I've never played baccarat before and would like to limit as much risk as possible in the beginning while learning.

Will a starting bankroll of $3,000 be enough to get started?

To give some background about me, I currently play poker so I feel I have good money management and bankroll skills. I understand what it takes to gamble for a living and I know it takes patience, time and dedication. Thanks for your time.

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Test, I wrote a long post and it didn't go through (or I can't find it) so this is my 2nd attempt.

I have a few questions about the System 40.

The system is $229 and $50 a month? What does the $50 a month get me?

I live in San Diego, CA are there any casinos in California that deal baccarat I can use this system on or is Las Vegas the nearest place I must go to?

Is there any way to practice the S40 or do I have to play at a live game and risk my money to learn? I ask this because I've never played baccarat before and would like to limit as much risk as possible in the beginning while learning.

Will a starting bankroll of $3,000 be enough to get started?

To give some background about me, I currently play poker so I feel I have good money management and bankroll skills. I understand what it takes to gamble for a living and I know it takes patience, time and dedication. Thanks for your time.

Well, first, you are financially better off right now to take out a $500 lifetime membership while we still have those available.

The $50 a month is to teach you NOR on the forum. 40 is good but it is only about 1/3rd of NOR. It is NOR that you want to learn. The NOR hard copy manual will soon be available and then its price will go to about $795 or more. But right now you can still learn it on the forum either at $229 and $50 a month or at $500 total.

You can play NOR at any casino that has Baccarat whether no commission or normal commission, on line or for real. Either way, you want to practice at home until you have EVERYTHING down pat. Even then, you want to start at low stakes until you can play fluently and mistake free at casino speed (which is usually pretty slow)

You will find that NOR is the lowest risk way the game can be played. BTC does not teach or recommend high risk systems. NOR never bets more than 5 units and usually averages less than 2 units. But, nevertheless we have our ways to get you into big wins in the right shoes. You'll be getting your fair share of 40 unit shoes. My last trip averaged 16.2 units over 17 shoes. My high was +32 and my single loss was -8. (We never go below -8.) Once you get to pro quality play we STILL recommend a 5 unit max bet but with larger units. We will teach you cash Mgt.

$3000 is more than enough! And if you play your cards right, and stick to our rules, it is enough for a lifetime bankroll.

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So the $500 is a lifetime membership and I'll never have to pay any types of fees again? I just want to be clear on that. Where is the link to purchase it, I only see the link for $229.

I've been searching the web for a winning baccarat strategy and this seems to be the most legit thus far. Making back the $500 investment with a +10 unit/day profit would mean I can make it back in 1 week after perfecting the strategy.

Also, does this forum ever plan group trips to Vegas? I would be interested in playing with some guys from the forum just to make sure I'm doing things correctly, plus it's great motivation to see real winners.

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So the $500 is a lifetime membership and I'll never have to pay any types of fees again? I just want to be clear on that. Where is the link to purchase it, I only see the link for $229.

I've been searching the web for a winning baccarat strategy and this seems to be the most legit thus far. Making back the $500 investment with a +10 unit/day profit would mean I can make it back in 1 week after perfecting the strategy.

Also, does this forum ever plan group trips to Vegas? I would be interested in playing with some guys from the forum just to make sure I'm doing things correctly, plus it's great motivation to see real winners.

Correct! Right, the lifetime membership offer has already been taken down but it is still available as we speak. I'll have Keith, the owner, contact you.

Yes, we have organized group casino trips several times a year and you can also make trip arrangements on your own with any of the members. You can post to the general membership or use our PM system to contact any and all members. But, learn NOR BEFORE your next casino trip.

It's a little confusing when you first start to learn our lingo and navigate our forum but we are all here to help you and we will have you playing with the best in no time. Start with the thread The NOR Approach under Baccarat and then under Sysyem 40. Then there is a NOR Q&A thread where all your questions are promptly answered.

Welcome aboard Orthopak!

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Ortho-

I had played for many years before I became a lifetime member about 1-1/2 years ago. And BTW, I never knew how much I DIDN'T know about the game before I joined, and now I win on a consistent basis, thanks to the many posts I have read here over the last 18 months. Once you start reading some of the threads, it's hard to stop...mostly, you will learn to adapt what you read to a style of play you are comfortable with.

IMO, you will recoup your investment many times over, especially if you have the patience and know how to employ the money-management methods taught here in the forum. Way better ROI than any other legitimate investment out there...

Message me anytime if I can help.

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This place sounds like a good community, hope to learn everything and put it to good use. I've never been to AC so I'll probably have to plan a trip out there, this should be fun.

One last question, what is the general learning curve time span for a complete newbie? From the minute I purchase and start reading the information to when I can actually step into a casino and play for real money? Would you say 1 month?

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This place sounds like a good community, hope to learn everything and put it to good use. I've never been to AC so I'll probably have to plan a trip out there, this should be fun.

One last question, what is the general learning curve time span for a complete newbie? From the minute I purchase and start reading the information to when I can actually step into a casino and play for real money? Would you say 1 month?

That is really near impossible to answer. Experienced system players can often learn everything in days, sometimes hours. But with newbies it depends entirely on how much time you can put into it and how devoted you are to learning. Some take a couple weeks and some are still unsure of themselves after months.

Nothing we do is rocket science and fifth grade math will do but there is much to learn.

First is how we set up our score card.

Then there are 3 simple systems to learn to the point that you can play them automatic and routine at casino speed.

Then how to determine which is best for the shoe at hand and how to switch if need be.

Then how to bet to the quality of the shoe at hand,

And perhaps most important, cash mgt. How to protect your winnings while minimizing your losses.

You might be ready for AC in a month. But AC is a learning curve in itself. Tough city, tough cards. I did it there from scratch and I had no teacher. You do!

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Ortho-

I had played for many years before I became a lifetime member about 1-1/2 years ago. And BTW, I never knew how much I DIDN'T know about the game before I joined, and now I win on a consistent basis, thanks to the many posts I have read here over the last 18 months. Once you start reading some of the threads, it's hard to stop...mostly, you will learn to adapt what you read to a style of play you are comfortable with.

IMO, you will recoup your investment many times over, especially if you have the patience and know how to employ the money-management methods taught here in the forum. Way better ROI than any other legitimate investment out there...

Message me anytime if I can help.

Hmm, I could have written that myself!! (Except I'm coming up on 2 years now).

Ortho,

Kachatz1 speaks from experience and many others here have the same results.

Welcome aboard.

MVS

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First is how we set up our score card.

Then there are 3 simple systems to learn to the point that you can play them automatic and routine at casino speed.

Then how to determine which is best for the shoe at hand and how to switch if need be.

Then how to bet to the quality of the shoe at hand,

And perhaps most important, cash mgt. How to protect your winnings while minimizing your losses.

I was just wondering if it's possible to use your system (or at least the theory in your system) by going off of the horizontal electronic score card that the casino provides. Or is the reason it works because of the way you track the shoe?

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I was just wondering if it's possible to use your system (or at least the theory in your system) by going off of the horizontal electronic score card that the casino provides. Or is the reason it works because of the way you track the shoe?

A logical question for a new guy: You COULD do that and then organize your chip piles to properly keep up with your score. The newer horizontal boards give you a LOT of information. But our vertical score cards give you an even better picture of the shoe thus far and make it easier to track what we need to know. It also gives us a record of our bets as well as our score while the board doesn't.

You will never see expert players that don't use a score card. The two concepts are contradictory.

Not using a card is good cover for an expert because casinos think that cardless players do not pose a threat. The problem is they are generally right about that.

Your card gives you a permanent record for important study later. BTW, we NEVER leave our card at the table.

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