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Hi there!

I'm building bankroll to buy NOR. From $100 to $250 now with free information from here. But it's up and down a lot.

Could you teach me how to determine the shoe at hand is most biased.

Is OR count -2 to +2 and MC 2s neutral. Is Choppy with OR +4 and Streaky -4. How many plays should i wait. Need i use SAP and OR count parallel.

I'm using 100units bankroll. Is it safe to play with 50units? Because i want to buy NOR so bad.

Thank you very much!

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Good God Man, you certainly have gleaned a lot. You are definitely showing the signs of becoming a great player and you are asking the right questions. If you had access to the private forum, with your determination you'd be flying high.

It would not be fair to the members for me to answer all your questions here in the public forum. But I can give you some general information. Yes, 50 units is more than enough once you are in the private forum. Hell, 8 units is often enough once you know what you are doing. We usually buy in for 20 units after already determined we are sitting down to a good table. There are ways to know. But only 8 of those units are really in play. The rest is for show and comps. And we very seldom go all the way to -8. My avg. losing shoe is only -4. But the important thing is your win rate. A sharp guy like you, I want to see you at 90% or better!

But look GaRan, you are not making sense. If you can play for $100 units you can buy NOR right now. With a little study and practice and given your demonstrated skill and determination I strongly suspect that you will be among our players where their first sit down pays back their entire investment. Guys, what do you think? Am I right?

You are trying to be too specific with your triggers. That is NOT the best way. The OR count is just a rough guide and not the determining factor.

We have a process we call Overlay wherein we mentally overlay each of the 3 NOR systems on the shoe at hand as it reveals itself. As soon as one system reveals that it is better than the other two we are in the game. This usually only takes a few plays and sometimes more. There is no set number. And sometimes Overlay is telling you to go look for a better table. We like to only play tables we know we can beat. You can use Overlay on the toteboards from the isle. We like to find the best NOR table in the casino BEFORE we sit down. Then we already know the best system to play at that table even before we make our first bet. This takes a little practice but given your already demonstrated skills, it is a crying shame that you are not already a member. You can't learn this from hearsay. You need a professional teacher and help from expert players.

Yes there is a lot of NOR information out there that you are hearing but most of it is wrong - some to the point of humorous. That is going on all over the world. But with your demonstrated skill and determination, think what you could do if............

The ImSpirit blog has it right. You can believe everything they say. But BF, well, that's where the humor comes in.

GaRan, you join the Army. The first thing they do is give you a big gun. But it is useless until they show you how to use it. THEN they give you bullets.

OK, you walk into a casino knowing the NOR system. It's like a big gun. But we haven't given you any bullets yet. You need to be taught how to use your big gun. What to do once you are in the casino - enemy territory, how to find the best table, which system to play, when to shoot and when to retreat. You have to know your enemy. You have to know a casino. THEN we give you your bullets. Understand? THAT is what we teach you. That is the best part. THAT is what produces your win rate.

I don't even follow the pricing. What does NOR cost these days? Around $7 - 800. Look GaRan, you are going for +10 units in your first shoe after already determining that you are sitting to the best NOR table in the casino. You usually make it and if you make it in the first column, now you are going for +20. For that, we show you some great ways to exploit the situation we showed you how to find - Now you are going for +30. I think our record is at least +54. Ha, and it wasn't even me. Mine is only +47.

GaRan, what the hell are you waiting for??? The drought to end??? The way you are trying to go right now, you are going to waste more units than NOR costs! To beat a casino you need to know exactrly what to do and how to play. Hearsay doesn't cut it. Am I right guys?

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Good God Man, you certainly have gleaned a lot. You are definitely showing the signs of becoming a great player and you are asking the right questions. If you had access to the private forum, with your determination you'd be flying high.

It would not be fair to the members for me to answer all your questions here in the public forum. But I can give you some general information. Yes, 50 units is more than enough once you are in the private forum. Hell, 8 units is often enough once you know what you are doing. We usually buy in for 20 units after already determined we are sitting down to a good table. There are ways to know. But only 8 of those units are really in play. The rest is for show and comps. And we very seldom go all the way to -8. My avg. losing shoe is only -4. But the important thing is your win rate. A sharp guy like you, I want to see you at 90% or better!

But look GaRan, you are not making sense. If you can play for $100 units you can buy NOR right now. With a little study and practice and given your demonstrated skill and determination I strongly suspect that you will be among our players where their first sit down pays back their entire investment. Guys, what do you think? Am I right?

You are trying to be too specific with your triggers. That is NOT the best way. The OR count is just a rough guide and not the determining factor.

We have a process we call Overlay wherein we mentally overlay each of the 3 NOR systems on the shoe at hand as it reveals itself. As soon as one system reveals that it is better than the other two we are in the game. This usually only takes a few plays and sometimes more. There is no set number. And sometimes Overlay is telling you to go look for a better table. We like to only play tables we know we can beat. You can use Overlay on the toteboards from the isle. We like to find the best NOR table in the casino BEFORE we sit down. Then we already know the best system to play at that table even before we make our first bet. This takes a little practice but given your already demonstrated skills, it is a crying shame that you are not already a member. You can't learn this from hearsay. You need a professional teacher and help from expert players.

Yes there is a lot of NOR information out there that you are hearing but most of it is wrong - some to the point of humorous. That is going on all over the world. But with your demonstrated skill and determination, think what you could do if............

The ImSpirit blog has it right. You can believe everything they say. But BF, well, that's where the humor comes in.

GaRan, you join the Army. The first thing they do is give you a big gun. But it is useless until they show you how to use it. THEN they give you bullets.

OK, you walk into a casino knowing the NOR system. It's like a big gun. But we haven't given you any bullets yet. You need to be taught how to use your big gun. What to do once you are in the casino - enemy territory, how to find the best table, which system to play, when to shoot and when to retreat. You have to know your enemy. You have to know a casino. THEN we give you your bullets. Understand? THAT is what we teach you. That is the best part. THAT is what produces your win rate.

I don't even follow the pricing. What does NOR cost these days? Around $7 - 800. Look GaRan, you are going for +10 units in your first shoe after already determining that you are sitting to the best NOR table in the casino. You usually make it and if you make it in the first column, now you are going for +20. For that, we show you some great ways to exploit the situation we showed you how to find - Now you are going for +30. I think our record is at least +54. Ha, and it wasn't even me. Mine is only +47.

GaRan, what the hell are you waiting for??? The drought to end??? The way you are trying to go right now, you are going to waste more units than NOR costs! To beat a casino you need to know exactrly what to do and how to play. Hearsay doesn't cut it. Am I right guys?

Garanimal:

Pretty simple.

1) Buy the NOR manual.

2) Study it, making sure you know all the acronyms, etc.

3) Apply its Teachings to a couple of previous shoes you have played, careful to make sure you evaluate decision-by-decision to compare what NOR says-to-do versus how the actual shoe played out. Ten shoes should give you the insider edge, and complete your home-study course in NOR.

4) Now, play a few live shoes from your favorite B+M casino. Bet 1/2 your normal unit size, just to test it out.

5) Looking at your unit size, I am certain you can afford the investment in NOR manual, and will be handsomely rewarded. If it's cost is too much for you, glean what you can from the "free" posts and see if you can't discern how/why I say that.

Good luck to you. NOR is simply the best way to play the game, giving you all the angles no matter how the shoe is behaving. Throw in the MM insights you see here on the forum, and i think you will agree that " while you don't always win at Baccarat, when you DO, it is with NOR"

Stay thirsty, my friends.

In the end, betting just a few shoes, NOR manual price is a BEST VALUE to add to your aersenal of weapons. i USE IT ALL THE TIME...OFTEN REFERRING TO IT RIGHT BEFORE I SIT DOWN IN A CASINO TO PLAY A FEW SHOES...,

GOOD LUCK!

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3) Apply its Teachings to a couple of previous shoes you have played, careful to make sure you evaluate decision-by-decision to compare what NOR says-to-do versus how the actual shoe played out. Ten shoes should give you the insider edge, and complete your home-study course in NOR.

kachatz1 is spot on with his quote.

The evaluation of the play by play is very important when you first start playing ANY method.

When you do this you'll slowly begin to see just how and WHY you're making a particular wager and WHY you're on a particular side.

The learning curve is a bit steep at the start, but from what you're written, it appears you're moving along nicely.

Hang in there and continued good luck at the tables.

MVS

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Hi there!

I'm building bankroll to buy NOR. From $100 to $250 now with free information from here. But it's up and down a lot.

Could you teach me how to determine the shoe at hand is most biased.

Is OR count -2 to +2 and MC 2s neutral. Is Choppy with OR +4 and Streaky -4. How many plays should i wait. Need i use SAP and OR count parallel.

I'm using 100units bankroll. Is it safe to play with 50units? Because i want to buy NOR so bad.

Thank you very much!

You say you want to buy NOR so bad, and you say you start out with 100units bankroll to build up more units to buy NOR?, i think you should use that 100 units to get NOR fast b4 it gone, Normally i only buy in 8units 50units is way too much

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Thanks for your advices, guys! :)

I'll buy NOR on the next time i'm online. I'm +$400 now. $200 more to go :). Maybe in this week.

I love it when guys win the money to buy their manual just from stuff they pick up on the public forum. This happens a lot. Does my heart good. Gives me a sense of purpose. Oh, and it's neat for them too.

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make over $1,4K by now. i was about to buy NOR but i didn't. because i discover a new way to track shoe (http://www.macaucasinoworld.com/baccarat-great-learning/lesson-03). and when combining it least/most common events, i win bac easily. after 12 shoes, no loss, win +7 or more.

Good going Garanimal!

LC/MC is sometimes a very effective tool in the BacBag.

combined with NOR techniques it would be like you are now Bruce Lee against TheArmyOfDarkness, and nobody ever beat Bruce Lee!

Keep up the winning, and when you get to the point of wanting to become even more complete player U will see how NOR makes this all possible...

Sounds to me you are very capable of running SYSTEM OVERLAY of systems to really magnify your wins!

Good Luck!

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Good going Garanimal!

LC/MC is sometimes a very effective tool in the BacBag.

combined with NOR techniques it would be like you are now Bruce Lee against TheArmyOfDarkness, and nobody ever beat Bruce Lee!

Keep up the winning, and when you get to the point of wanting to become even more complete player U will see how NOR makes this all possible...

Sounds to me you are very capable of running SYSTEM OVERLAY of systems to really magnify your wins!

Good Luck!

Right! While 1.4K is a good start and to be applauded, it is far too small to prove anything. Proceed cautiously GaRan but I suspect that we will be hearing more from you, sooner or later.

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All,

For those of you who are new here, the great "Baccarat Great Learning, Zuan Xin" style was discussed here probably two years ago.

Those of you who will take the time to wade through it will see the obvious problems as the "lessons" proceed.

As Ellis has replied to this thread, it will stay for the time being.

MVS

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I am new here too. I stumbled on this when "you tube-ing" to past time. Garan did not specify his total bankroll for us to ascertain the value per unit. Hence we cannot jump the gun by suggesting he purchase NOR.

I have played baccarat for entertainment ( with real money ) but stumbled on this website while "you-tube-ing". Read a lot about Dr Ellis and the

System and I must say I am impressed. I have to wait for two months before funds come in for me to purchase and start with a decent bankroll of

50 units at USD50 per unit. I have access to live casinos in Malaysia, Singapore and Phnom Penh. Just 3 questions :

1 ) What is the time taken to learn the NOR System ? I am about to retire, can put all my time into it and I am a fast learner :-)

2 ) Which live dealer casinos on the internet would you recommend ?

3 ) In Vietnam, they have dealers but the game is electronic ( METG branded baccarat tables ? )...they whould be avoided by NOR players ?

Thank you, in anticipation of your response.

Dragon 98

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I am new here too. I stumbled on this when "you tube-ing" to past time. Garan did not specify his total bankroll for us to ascertain the value per unit. Hence we cannot jump the gun by suggesting he purchase NOR.

I have played baccarat for entertainment ( with real money ) but stumbled on this website while "you-tube-ing". Read a lot about Dr Ellis and the

System and I must say I am impressed. I have to wait for two months before funds come in for me to purchase and start with a decent bankroll of

50 units at USD50 per unit. I have access to live casinos in Malaysia, Singapore and Phnom Penh. Just 3 questions :

1 ) What is the time taken to learn the NOR System ? I am about to retire, can put all my time into it and I am a fast learner :-)

2 ) Which live dealer casinos on the internet would you recommend ?

3 ) In Vietnam, they have dealers but the game is electronic ( METG branded baccarat tables ? )...they whould be avoided by NOR players ?

Thank you, in anticipation of your response.

Dragon 98

Hi Dragon

1) Given your circumstances and your excellent grasp of English I'm thinking 2 or 3 weeks of study and practice. NOR is simple but you are dealing with 3 different systems so it takes a little time.

2) I don't play on line myself but the guys like Bet Phoenix. The important thing is to stick to live games only.

3) Right, I would stay away from random generator games both real and on line. NOR funtions on shuffle biases produced by both hand shuffle and shuffle machine. But a high quality random generator might defeat our edge.

However NOR training also includes our NB systems which are designed for random games. Players have been successful with NB against random generators. You might give that a try in Nam. Just proceed cautiously.

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Dr Ellis.

Thank you for your reply...and your compliments. Being educated during the colonial times sure makes a difference as we had dedicated teachers from the Peace Corps.

So altogether there would be 4 systems to learn? If I do away with NB, I will be able to concentrate on just 3 systems.

Do you mean that the random generators do not churn out biases ?

I hope to embark on a new career with all in the private forum.

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Dr Ellis.

Thank you for your reply...and your compliments. Being educated during the colonial times sure makes a difference as we had dedicated teachers from the Peace Corps.

So altogether there would be 4 systems to learn? If I do away with NB, I will be able to concentrate on just 3 systems.

Do you mean that the random generators do not churn out biases ?

I hope to embark on a new career with all in the private forum.

Correct on every point dragon, including the Peace Corps.

NB is actually two very similar but very simple systems. But learn the slightly tougher NOR systems first. Pay attention to the overall concept of NOR. When you keep that in mind, the nitty gritty begins to have purpose which makes it easier to learn and remember. Eventually you will grasp our little secret here. That NOR is the best Baccarat concept in the world.

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