Fresh cards in baccarat

[Danicito]

Hello Ellis and all people here...

These days I am playing in a new casino because it is big and has a good service.

Well... I am experiencing tough shoes because they don't make trends or biases that we know and the only one thing diferent that I see from other casinos is that this Casino uses most of the time "fresh cards" in the game.

There are some players that get angry and then they wrinkle the cards or they break the cards then the Pitboss needs to change the cards to new 8 decks.

Is there a problem with fresh cards?

Thanks

[Danicito]

I think I figured out what is happening...

I am almost sure the reason of "tables without biases" is the shuffle machine... every table has a shuffle machine and before to start a new game, the dealer take out the cards from it.

I will be checking more details about it to avoid these kind of tables and casinos.

[kachatz1]

I think I figured out what is happening...

I am almost sure the reason of "tables without biases" is the shuffle machine... every table has a shuffle machine and before to start a new game, the dealer take out the cards from it.

I will be checking more details about it to avoid these kind of tables and casinos.

I will second that!

A certain well known casino in southern Mississippi almost every shoe these days ends up with very little bias at their lone Bac table...

Shoe may start out first 10-20 hands with a bias, but by the end of virtually every shoe the following three things show very little disparity:

B vs. P

OTBL count versus TBL

Opp. versus Repeat

Best way to beat their shoes is generally to wait until sometime " mid shoe" and then start looking for any disparity to start averaging towards a 50/50 outcome by the end of the shoe...

This works a high percentage of the time AT THIS CASINO, especially if one monitors all 3 variables mentioned above...

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By the way, it's easy to keep a running count on all six of the above...after each hand is played, just put a little mark next to each of the following for whichever wins that decision...something like this.

B I I I ( and on and on for the shoe...)

P. I I I I I

OTBL. I I I I I

TBL. I

OPP. I I I

REP. I I I I I

The way I keep track of greatest disparity ( read SHOE TRENDS) is whenever any of the 6 items followed reaches a count of five, I place a / mark and retotal all 6 columns ...this will let you monitor minor trends as well as major trends....Which in turn helps in bet selection

After a while a shoe could look like this:

B. IIIII / 5 IIIII / 10 III. / 13 IIIII / 18 ( etc, etc for rest of shoe)

P. II. /. 2 IIII. / 6 IIIII / 11 I. /. 12

OTBL. IIII / 4 IIIII / 9 III /. 12 III. / 15

TBL. I. /. 1 IIII / 5 IIIII /. 10 III. / 13

OPP. II. / 2 IIIII/. 7 III. . / 10 I / 11

REP. IIII / 4 IIII / 8. IIIII / 13 IIIII / 18

This example is for illustration purposes only, but if I had to make the next bet in the shoe ( hand # 31, excluding TIES, if any), I would first look at a REPEAT of the last result ( greatest disparity in shoe so far versus OPP), and if that just happened to be a BANKER bet ( next largest disparity of 6 versus Player) I would definitely bet BANKER.

If the REPEAT would result in a PLAYER bet, I would likely quickly check the SAP count, and depending where it stood I would place a smaller wager on B or P, since the disparities indicated above were so close ( 7 versus 6 ) , perhaps even sit out the hand...

Go back to a few of your saved shoes, take a look at them and you will see how a shoe very often plays out to a big disparity for O/R count or OTBL/TBL in many, many shoes even where B/P count is fairly even...For me, this is how My mind " sees" the various aspects " behind the scenes" of applying NOR to bet selection/application of NOR rules...

Good luck to all!

[kramden]

I also see EXACTLY what you mean!!

By me, the long biased shoes are basically gone. The only place you have a chance of seeing a good biased shoe is in the high limit room at 100 to 200 dollar minimum big bac tables. HAND shuffled from the box. (and $200 min has better biases than 100-or maybe it's just me, haha) I always go in and scan them for the 1st 10 or 20 hands. It just makes play that much easier when you can clearly see a trend.

Out on the main floor, even up to the 50 dollar tables, no trend or bias holds for long at all. It's a death trap waiting to happen. Forget about long runs. I basically flat bet so I don't get too far in the hole. But play can go in circles for hours. So when the pockets allow, I play at the big tables. I trade one type of stress for another. Plus it's easier to leave when even up just a few units at a time.

What are you gonna do? Sometimes it's like they say: "it's the hardest easy money you are ever going to make".

Kramden

[Guest]

I also see EXACTLY what you mean!!

By me, the long biased shoes are basically gone. The only place you have a chance of seeing a good biased shoe is in the high limit room at 100 to 200 dollar minimum big bac tables. HAND shuffled from the box. (and $200 min has better biases than 100-or maybe it's just me, haha) I always go in and scan them for the 1st 10 or 20 hands. It just makes play that much easier when you can clearly see a trend.

Out on the main floor, even up to the 50 dollar tables, no trend or bias holds for long at all. It's a death trap waiting to happen. Forget about long runs. I basically flat bet so I don't get too far in the hole. But play can go in circles for hours. So when the pockets allow, I play at the big tables. I trade one type of stress for another. Plus it's easier to leave when even up just a few units at a time.

What are you gonna do? Sometimes it's like they say: "it's the hardest easy money you are ever going to make".

Kramden

Kramden, you have said a mouthful there!

I was playing a demo BJ game one night in A.C. in front of a very large audience from the seminar. A voice yelled out: "Ellis, why do you always play the $100 tables when we can't afford to play them?" I yelled back: "Because I can't afford to play the red tables."

It is a hard concept to convey but the thing is, you've got to go where the money is. For whatever their reason, in both BJ and Bac, there casinos simply make the high stakes rooms easier.

For that reason, I switched to high stakes rooms many years ago. I take advantage of hand shuffling. There simply is no such thing as a random hand shuffle. You can't begin to randomize 8 decks of cards by hand with 2 or only 3 shuffles. It would take 100s of riffles, maybe thousands. So ALL hand shuffled cards are biased.

A $100 game you are winning is a whole lot less stressful than a $10 game you are losing. The whole idea is to only play the games you can beat and those games are usually in the high stakes rooms.