kramden

Thank you for the reply. So then I will believe that there is no mathematical way to figure out the probabilities of dealer vs player wins and losses iar? I believe that is what you are saying. The application is not the question as I have my own. Just the ones, twos , threes, etc in a row. But it would seem that there is no way to figure that out.? Just trying to turn another negative expectaion game into a positive one. Thank you!!

Anyone who has the answer please post. Thanks in advance!! In the spirit of this thread I have a ? ... How do the numbers for the "events" work in a game like blackjack? Just going on wins and losses, lets say, what would the stats be for 1 win in a row, 2 wins iar, three, etc...?? The same for the losses in BJ, or any other events that could be tracked? Also lets assume we play perfect basic strategy , and also we play perfect NBJ. Two different comparisons, but the point is that the odds of winning any hand in BJ are less than the almost 50/50 odds of a bac hand. So is it possible to figure out the math of ones twos threes ... iar?? Again just going on wins and losses. Or another way to look at it is if you were able to bet on the player or the dealer in BJ, what would the "iar's" look like? I am a member of the BJ forum also, but gave up the game a while back. However, it is a quicker, and less frustrating game so I wish to spend some time applying some theories to it. Thanks again , and I hope this question is given serious consideration as it could potentially change your life. As its application in BAC has changed mine.

Another top notch read, katchatz! I have been reluctant to post a question lately pertaining to BJ, and now since you bring up the game... Im gonna put it in the chubby thread though cause it is not about NOR. I would REALLY appreciate an answer from you and Ellis and anyone else. Thank you!!

Interesting, I read a similar critique of this site on another site that i came across recently. baccaratlabs.com i agree, for what its worth, that maybe there needs to be a new plan or change of direction for this site(which I do enjoy coming to) to thrive. The Best to you!!!

First, sorry but i just got a burst of excitement that I just had to post. Such a great thread I thought I would raise it TTT. I was lying in bed the other night when a Completely new idea hit me like a ton of bricks... It all revolved around yet another application of the info i this thread and the two connected threads from Kat. Yep, it has to do with the "events" or the "iar's". I just had to go back and chect a few things in this dead thread. Give it sort of a "dead cat bounce". The key to winning this game in my experience, not opinion is in the events. And tou may have guessed it, this concept includes "the runs". just food for thought for those of you who always try to use your brains to better your bac game and to avoid senility. Keep pressing on men... Its the events, jerry... Good luck all. Thanks again Kevin!

Hey Mr. D.J., Nice to seethat there are still some people on this side of the new forum. Thougt it might be left for dead. The parx is a sneaky place with those game switches. (been there, done that many times) Watch out for those "3" bets. Nice win! Keep it up!

You just refuse to accept my gift. You win,already! Lets move on and teach some good lessons. A real "pro" knows when to fold em. Talk about lawyers. How about a whole bunch of them in a class action? Will you send jacoby or myer? (i didnt see their screennames being "used" here) Dont "press" it with this crap. And you couldn't afford the public defender. When we met in AC i watched you among others play. It was a high stakes seminar but you played greens. (yeah i know it was a saturday night-- right) You lost both shoes you played. You talk about comps in your manuals. in your posts. Now you are against them. You were banned from AC yet you used a players card that night. Maybe you need a vacation down to South Beach? Need I go on? You see , casino money can fund a million memberships for me. Now folks, there is a 50/50 chance that this we be my last post in this regard, as I am only here to help. I will bet a 3-4-5 on the run though. Hows that for a "twist"? (lets move on) kramden/santa fe

Afterthought... Before anyone gets the wrong idea... We have just been thru alot. It is not wise for me to give any more opinions at this time. Can you all see that? Members please hash out the idea of what these three events could could be used for. We already know alot. Keep the convo rolling.

I humbly submit that this makes me happy! This is the first sign of new talk here in a long time. It appears that some new tidbits are being talked about after being suggested. The framework for new discussion has been set. We need to keep talking about these things as a group to see if we can get somewhere further down the road together. Lets work together. I mean this with all due respect to Ellis and crew! Lets let the teacher teach for a bit and then follow up with questions and ideas. I know we can do better if we all put our heads together. This is what I paid for.

So now we are talking 1's, 2's and 3's together. How lucky. Can I answer anyones' questions?

Posts number 10 and 12

As I mentioned in post number ten. etc.

Just remember i did you a favor. I always knew who you , Oz , and etc are. I gave you an "out" and you should thank me. (you know my anger display was what you anticipated)(a little gift for you) This went from me trying to help your members to a chess game. The shame is that the only ones who lose are the members. Game over. You win. You are welcome.

Well let's hope they can't because then I am ruined!! LOL

Thank you Sarrom. Its a shame that the ship has sailed, but I REALLY tried. Everything I posted had a meaning. Those who could figure it out would make better bac players. My posts were intended to teach a bit of discipline, cause you are gonna need it first and foremost. Next, patience... and on and on Would you rather read a stale "writing" or an interesting one? The public side is called "BTC", thats really why the posts were there. The private side is for specific paid forums/methods. Ellis was right about that. If I continued to go on, things would only have gotten worse. What I have to say, which all wraps up at some point, is too much for gamblers to comprehend. It is a new way of looking at practically everything. I thought we could all use it. (I use it on a regular basis, profitably) I have a gift/or a disability which makes me notice the little things in every situation. I spent several years flat betting, noticing every little piece of minutia about the game. And I didnt discount anything. I have an extensive gambling archive of all types of writings and tests. Put it all together and its gold. I tried to establish a bit of "street cred" by letting just a small amount of that out to pacify the more cynical members who have been thru the wringer with faulty systems and such. I tried not to overdo my observations cause I knew they couldn't handle it. I thought this out completely. I am not a gambler at heart, that's why I like information presented like I present it. Gambler's want a quick, one size fits all robotic method. They dont want to think about things. Just bet it. (and again,I dont mean everyone) Now let me ask a rhetorical question (one that does not require an answer, LOL) When you enter into someone's classroom, for ex: like when I joined BTC, is it better to go in and act like you are smarter than the teacher? My answer is no. You blend in with the average classmate. You let Ellis teach. You learn what he has to say. You ask questions. Another way of looking at it: lets say you are a working person and you paid off your home mortgage when you are lets say 40 years old. That is a GREAT accomplishment isnt it? It should be something to be proud of. But if you are smart, you wouldn't tell your coworkers at all. It can only bring on a negative outcome. There is NO upside for you. Do you all see that? In life, and let me dare any of you to argue against this, it is sometimes a disadvantage to be intelligent. And the art (read:player advantage) of it comes by NOT showing anyone how intelligent you are. exception:sometimes its worth it to let it out:hint Peace all.

CC, i actually have not found the significance yet. Just theories. I just noticed how some tens and naturals clump up many times. I dont have any evidence on any of it. just was saying that i mentioned it before. its like we both have our ways, and i will bet that they are much different i said "hmm" like a wisecrack.

Members, you will benefit only after all posts like these stop. All posts from anyone who either does not "see the points" or More probably sees them but has their agenda. And i offered my only olive branch. This time there needs to be real change in the discussion. Or everyone but myself loses out.

advice guys: never play bac when you get aggravated:hint

So MVS, move this post too, i have no ill intentions here. just to help people up their game. But u need to "keep out the dogs" (no offense katchatz) And stop all the crap! everyone here can learn something new every day. So the short answer: I have alternatives which can be added to any aresenal. They are my own thoughts played out by years of study. They are different. And since they"do not belong inside with NOR", they are out here.

MVS cont. Members are bullied by guys like big prick who NEVER contributes anything of value. Never. If i were a perceptive person with a genious memory, I would summise he is a total loser, cynically beaten down by years of hard knocks. By the wAy, did i mention that the first time i met mr D. About TWO years ago, hed had on converse type sneakers and ate spaghetti and meatballs for dinner. The meatballs were huge, he said. That goes for rhe other one too, RUBE... limbaugh. Never anything constructive or to help.

Hello MVS, I respect you alot. always did. You have wisdom from afar. I can tell by the way you post. So, it goes back and forth for me with you know who saying i am either talking against NOR principles or i am saying the same thing as NoR teaches. Which is it? My thougts are being purposely mislead by those who are worried now about their business income. When they KNOW that i have all valid points. They even use my points weeks after i allude to them. And introduce them non challantly so noone catches it. So there is no respect for me by the "pros". Believe me, they have respect and hey cant believe their eyes. You know exactly what i mean . You are a smart man who gets it. So in order to help all the members, even the ones who cant afford NORyet, i post it out here. I would much rather have an HONEST exchange of ideas on the inside. But there is no respect by too many. And too many others are too afraid to speak.

Good question for me trbfla, I guess I will have to think about it for a bit...

The idea that the naturals, or other signs of "hand strength" is very significant, is valid. I actually posted about it a few weeks back. And Katchatz1 mentioned looking at it on his Red Rock shoe. How significant? hmm? Its lucky that more people are coming up with this idea. So, yes I agreed

Nice explanation. The only thing is for everyone, please dont say what you think I want to hear as the answer. (i am not saying that you are trb) Remember I am a newbie and you guys play NOR or SAP or whatever. And now I would like to see many more answers guys, Puh puh please! There is no right or wrong and I have no judgement at all. Thanks!