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Good work!! Hey this thread reminds me of something too. A Johnny Cash song, "I've Been Everywhere"

Great explanation Ellis! Thanx. I will apply brainpower to it now. Dave

Hmmm, beginers have favorites. Pros play whatever the shoe tells them. Hello Ellis, Yes, exactly the thesis of my question. I may not have captured my true intent. The NOR manual states that there are very few long streaky shoes nowadays. I actually see this now and try to target tote boards that are very easy to beat and high in 1's and 2's.(not to say that a beautifully streaky board wouldn't stop me in my tracks) It also states that a player need only switch approaches mid shoe in a very low percent of the time. So, I was trying to understand if my initial approach to the posted shoe was far off base. When I first looked at the shoe I saw mostly 1's and 2's with a clump of 3's and TT's in the middle. I figured a good approach might have been to play S40. Now, I see that there was a very high bias toward OTBL nearing the middle but I didn't pick up on it initially. I know the results for Kachatz were great, but I didn't know the specifics of when he decided it was a good OTB$L method shoe or when he jumped in. Thank you sir!! Dave

MVS, Helps alot, thanks. That's 2 for 2 today, whereas I was thinking similarly to your NOR thoughts. I also saw that you dropped back to +1 unit at that point and figured that was part of your reasoning. I would assume that is the road NOR trains us to take to analyze the shoes. Doing it on the fly as you do is my real challenge though. Talk to you... Dave

Hey, Nice to meet you. Welcome aboard.

Hey guys, Thanks for both of your replies. Seahog: makes perfect sense. That is what I thought too when I first saw the shoe--that S40 could apply. Also, I like the conservative +few units and leave while my mind is fresh. Kachatz:I have been a member here and have the manual. I have been in the process of trying to switch my mind over to playing it's concepts(while still keeping my "skills" of trending a shoe in tact.(for whatever it will be worth in the end,haha). So you must be Bac? Good posts over there. Are you a writer by trade? I was just trying to see if you had a "magic mm" to go with NOR that maybe I didn't experiment with yet. (I only prefer conservative mm so your thread sparked an interest) Thanks again men!!

Hi MVSeahog, Question: In looking at your results(great job, by the way) I notice that you decided to not bet hands 13, 14, and 15. What was your reasoning? Were you anticipating that the shoe was turning into a streaky shoe and played it safe? Or did I miss an aspect of NOR here? Thanks! Dave

Hello All!! First, nice story and Vegas report Mr.Kachatz. Good work. So, I guess this is as good a place as any to post a related NOR question... I am relatively new with NOR but I understand the principles--I think--so I know that 2 of the 3 systems can overlap to beat a shoe. With the shoe that was posted here, would anyone see fit to use system 40 on it for a quick entry/exit of a certain target win? Or is the consensus overwhelmingly OTB4L? If I am reading the shoe correctly, S40 could be applied? Mr. Seahog, I would like your opinion also if you wouldn't mind. You sent me some inspiring pm's on the "other site" which helped me to decide to join this site, and I appreciate them.(obviously I used a different log on name--pm if curious) No looking back since, thanks again. Specifically, you had mentioned that you mostly looked for,or encountered, S40 shoes. Would you have looked at a portion of this shoe if you saw it and would you have played it? Or would you have passed? Why? Oh, Kachatz do you follow the NOR money management, OTR, etc? Thank you to all responders. Dave

Hello All!! First, let me say thank you to Ellis, Keith and everyone else who gives great insight on this site. I am a new member of the baccarat side(NOR) and am still applying everything over there. I gave up on blackjack a while ago because I thought the 50/50 bac would be easier to beat. Wow, wrong. So this team play instruction seems very exciting. I already signed up for it. Hey Daytrader, just a couple questions if I may... 1. When you played your 3 positions were there any stragglers limping in or was it strict team play at your table? 2. You must have had 2 or 3 players with you so why not play 4 or 6 positions from the start? 3. Did you already have all the info on team play before you started or is there more to be disclosed to you? 4. optional... Where are you from? I may want to join/start a weekly team in my area after I read the fine print in a couple weeks.(you can pm me--I would appreciate it) Again, thanks everyone for everything that I have read so far on this and the baccarat planet. Sooooo much to still learn. ps. I don't really know if my questions are out of line for the public forum, so delete them if need be Ellis.