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And this is probably an example of why I would vote to keep the stop loss at -8. (just in case you choose the wrong 4d method to follow. In the heat of battle its sometimes hard to see that its time to switch before its too late. (speaking for myself,that is. lol) no need to let things run out of control.

that shoe is my FAVORITE type to play. If you can get on those "clumps" (if I may use the term), you can win quite a bunch of units with basically no risk. "F" approach baby!

Happy... and/or Merry... to everyone!!! Thank you for all of your contributions thruout the year! Wishing y'all A prosperous 2014 and beyond!! kramden

Well I just got off the phone with someone from Golden Nugget online casino who told me that all table games will be computerized. No live dealer games. He said all the casinos down there will be the same(no live games). Guess I will stick with betphoenix. Anyone have any info on the computerized baccarat? Do they keep the biases like table games? Anyone every win long term playing those games? Thanks

Hey have any of you signed up for an online account with any of the New Jersey casinos yet? Any thoughts or observations? Thanks.

How are you Bluetri? Please hit me with a pm. Would be very interested. Thank you!! medium approach... haha

My 2 cents, A perfect example of the need to be "fluid" and watch for changing counts. After several hands you could play s40m1 or F2 just by looking back at the prior results. But after a reasonable amount of hands won I would have been suspect of a switch in the counts. The shoe noticably starts moving towards ot4bl so I probably would have tested this with a unit or two and then followed that new count on the move. At a certain point I would have been suspecting another count to take over. Or for a low disparity opportunity to arise. And so on... This is much easier to do when you are up units. Risking a couple units on an educated "hunch" is a prudent way to play. Otherwise sit and watch and bet in your head. Again, just a couple cents...

After practicing and playing the 4d for a short while... It seems like most shoes at most casinos are so "unbiased" that you must suspect a change up in the count you have been following after it has gone for "a while". This includes the low disparity counts. Anticipation and risk of one unit flat , here and there, might just be a good thing to practice. That is, I personally find that a hard and fast rule cannot be used always. A player must be more "fluid" . So it does not seem like a bad idea to test for a TT using one unit, whenever the shoe seems like it could switch. Actually, it seems prudent to do it often because the nature of the shoes I See always try to keep the outcomes toward ot4bl/low long runs. But be forever vigilant for a count that keeps on running, positive or negative. Call those shoes a gift from above. (stop and reevaluate after a few losses iar would be my only "hard and fast/ absolute rule) Hope this helps!

Hi guys! I also would like to know how/if I can purchase the webinar for viewing at a later time. I have just about every manual but it seems like there are still tricks to learn. If I wasnt so preoccupied with bac 4D, maybe I would have paid attention to the blackjack forum. Haha. Please advise Mr. Davis Thank You!! kramden

Oh and Glenn, My only critique(lessons learned need not be repeated,haha) is that it is my opinion also that you never start betting on the first hand. I play different ways, but one thing is for sure, you must watch to see what the shoe is doing at each particular moment in time. NOR is based on this principle. Always wait patiently and evaluate the shoe at all times. (Especially important when using a progression as the damage can be severe) If ever in doubt, w..... Nice job on your win!!!

hi guys! Sands PA allows you to bet both sides on the $25 tables. The $50 and higher tables they give you free hands. Sometimes the pit bosses can be total jerk-...s though. I have played the quarter tables to warm up, won a bunch of units (usually flat betting), then went to the high limit room to play blacks, and they wouldnt allow any more than 1 free hand. Watch me on the camera much? So then it doesnt take long for more people to show up and then you get free hands. So dont be afraid to ask if you can bet both sides no matter which casino you are at. Rules can be bent, especially if you are winning. kramden

Hey thanks Norm! And Happy Thanksgiving to all too! What kind of crazy people are on a gambling site this early on a holiday? We must be nuts! or motivated and exited to live life! Haha I wish everyone good profits to come! kramden

What the hell is wrong with THIS generation? Where are your entrepreneurs ? You're going down in history as the LOST generation? All I see you guys doing is playing on your freaking cell phones and walking into telephone poles. My guys did it the hard way. Today you have the world wide internet at your disposal. So OK, I'm precomputer age. I don't know shit about the internet. I'm not of your world. But you guys ARE. You live in that world. So what are you going to do with your knowledge - play freaking telephone games? Some of you guys have modern talent worth millions. But where the hell are you??? Talk to me! Mr. Davis, One of the best "mini-rants" I have read in a while. I make one like this at least once a week. Problem is, people think I am the problem. Hahaha!! A new generation that can't do math in their heads. My 9 y/o is allowed to use a calculator in school. How ridiculous! At least there are still people in the world (members here) who will put in "old school" work with their ---given talent(brains) to get ahead. I find that using brainpower for some potentially profitable or exciting outcome is the best medicine to counteract the monotony of "the every day grind". Just some harmless thoughts for all my friends! Happy holidays everyone!! kramden ps. This 4D stuff has got my brains working overtime! Thank God, and the "Creators" for this new enhancement. (i know its for bac but I am a bit giddy)

Thanks Seahog, Just worked it out last nite and will attempt to "BTC" , as they say in the business. They told me I can withdraw lesser amounts but it would have to be thru western union. Fees apply. If my "plan" works it shouldnt be a problem either wAy. Haha. Keep winning sir! Kramden

Hi MVS! and congrats on your streak!! Been a while since I have posted and also still have not funded an online acct yet. This week will be the week. So has anything changed with your favorable opinions of betphoenix? Is this still the place you play? Any complaints? Any new places online you recommend? I have played with a fun acct now for a while and am eager for any updates of your online play. Thank you!! Also any other players with any comments? Thanks! Kramden

No MVS, I meant that I read in an old post somewhere that you check the tables sometimes to see if any have a bias when you turn on the computer. At least that is what I remember, and it was on a different thread or site. So I took it as there were more than 1 table at a time going. But, I could have remembered it incorrectly. Your explanation now is clear. Thanks!!

I also see EXACTLY what you mean!! By me, the long biased shoes are basically gone. The only place you have a chance of seeing a good biased shoe is in the high limit room at 100 to 200 dollar minimum big bac tables. HAND shuffled from the box. (and $200 min has better biases than 100-or maybe it's just me, haha) I always go in and scan them for the 1st 10 or 20 hands. It just makes play that much easier when you can clearly see a trend. Out on the main floor, even up to the 50 dollar tables, no trend or bias holds for long at all. It's a death trap waiting to happen. Forget about long runs. I basically flat bet so I don't get too far in the hole. But play can go in circles for hours. So when the pockets allow, I play at the big tables. I trade one type of stress for another. Plus it's easier to leave when even up just a few units at a time. What are you gonna do? Sometimes it's like they say: "it's the hardest easy money you are ever going to make". Kramden

Thank you very much for all your help, MVS.(particularly interesting was not taking any bonus money--I would have never thought about refusing it) I will process the info and take the next step. Hey one more ?, I read that you have a choice of live tables simultaneously at betphoenix when you go online? Is that correct or did I misunderstand?(combo question:I would assume that we will always see a live game with a visible dealer?) Keep winning man!!! Kramden

MVS, also, before I set this up... 1. betphoenix.ag does not have a practice area? or does it? 2. Did you set up any separate email adresses or bank/credit accounts to use specifically for that site? 3. Any other "defense mechanisms" that I need to set up? THANX!!!

Hi Guys! Thanks for the advice MVS. A few questions: 1. How do you make deposits? via credit card? 2. Your withdrawals are by a paper check mailed to you? (I guess there is a fee? and they are cashable in US banks?) 3. Besides a drivers license, how much deeper is the personal info required? (can you use other form of photo iD instead?) 4. Have you ever gone with large units at any time? maybe when winning did you raise them? Any problem there? 5. Do you play and win every day? If not, what is your losing to winning session ratio? (in other words, will consistent winning flag them?) more to follow I'm sure, haha Thank you!! Also, Ellis, what casino did the member you mentioned play at? Anyone else who plays online, will you please give your input as I am deciding to set up an account to play bac at very soon. Thanks guys!! Kramden

Hello all, Just want to say thank you to Ellis and Keith (and all)for a Great seminar. I learned alot and see that you guys really know your stuff. It was equally great meeting the other members who attended and "breaking bread" with you guys. I must say that those tables Sat. night were "bootleg" to say the least. Not a winner to be found, and countless sad faces throughout the casino.(but I think a couple of you won a few bucks though?) You put up a great fight in order to demonstrate for us though. I will post more when I have more time. I am formulating many more annoying questions while you are reading this. Hah. Bluetri, did you make it home OK? Talk to you guys soon... kramden

Hi Guys, Ellis, Reading everything you have written, also purchasing the team play manual, I have to say that I can't wait to learn the single player BJ strategies that you have developed. I started with blackjack, but quit it for Baccarat. I do extremely well in bac, and NOR is now an additive to my play(still taking it all in). I see the reasoning behind playing both games and I don't see a downside at all.(just some more studying on a topic that I enjoy). I can't wait for the AC seminar(which I signed up for) and am just waiting for the manual to become available for me to download.(any help with that would be appreciated). I am tired of watching people, especially my friends losing at BJ EVERY time they play. Anyway, that's my opinion. Look forward to meeting you on the 20th. kramden

Howdy, I just got off the phone with Keith who explained the "free" manuals. Also, signing up for the AC seminar right after I hit "enter". Looking forward to it. See you guys there.

Hi Ellis, Thanks for your reply. So just so I understand it...NBJ contains the entire approach to the 1st and 3rd base play. Zero proximity contains what different strategy? I will buy them both together as listed, and studying them both separately accomplishes learning what different aspects of the game? Thanks again!! Oh, also, at the top of my screen there are downloads available for "free manuals". I didn't download them yet, but they are there.(I am talking about separate free "icons" to download WCB and NBJ)?

Hi Ellis, Could you please point me in the right direction. I see that you mention NBJ 1st and 3rd base. I also now see (I don't log on too often) that there are free blackjack manuals. Do the free manuals contain the same info as the pay ones? (I would guess not?) I am trying to get off work now that there is a date for the AC seminar. What should I buy? What is included in which manual? Really what I am asking is: Exactly which manuals do I need to play like you? (haha) Thanks for reply!!