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Does NOR beat the Automatic Shuffle Machine? ECD Group February 3, 2013


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Blackjack is a dead loss at my local Casino because of CSMs at all tables so I'm thinking that Baccarat might be the best bet.

All the Baccarat tables at Aussie Casinos use Automatic Shuffling Machines as distinct from CSM ...so my question is "Does the use of ASM reduce the viability of NOR or does it make little difference?"

Another question if I may..."with the advent of Internet Live Play Casinos with hand shuffle and the ease of table selection ...are they a viable option in the short term?"

My apologies if my questions have already been answered in previous threads

Wishing everybody a happy and prosperous New Year from Down Under

Oz

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Blackjack is a dead loss at my local Casino because of CSMs at all tables so I'm thinking that Baccarat might be the best bet.

All the Baccarat tables at Aussie Casinos use Automatic Shuffling Machines as distinct from CSM ...so my question is "Does the use of ASM reduce the viability of NOR or does it make little difference?"

Another question if I may..."with the advent of Internet Live Play Casinos with hand shuffle and the ease of table selection ...are they a viable option in the short term?"

My apologies if my questions have already been answered in previous threads

Wishing everybody a happy and prosperous New Year from Down Under

Oz

Hi Oz! A great user name BTW!

First, you should tell the Casino Mgr, and as many hosts you can find, WHY you are quitting BJ and get all your friends and as many people as you can to do the same thing. Customer interaction is rare in a casino as far as the game presentation is concerned but they are listened to because it effects profits.

I prefer hand dealt Bac but I often play regular shuffle machines. There is little difference, if any, and sometimes you get better consistency.

Unlike the old days I have received no complaints about live Bac games on line. But I have yet to play any. Maybe some of the guys who have could chip in here. I think they are a valid option, especially hand shuffled.

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Another question if I may..."with the advent of Internet Live Play Casinos with hand shuffle and the ease of table selection ...are they a viable option in the short term?"

Oz

Oz,

We do have several members here who play the majority of their baccarat using the "online venue" that you've asked about.

I don't believe anyone is using the RNG baccarat, but strictly the live dealt games only.

US players have a very limited supply of live, online casinos to chose from but those outside of the Colonies have quite a few choices for sure.

As with any casino, test the online play and make sure it runs the way you want it to before wagering for serious money.

MVS

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BTW we had one top BJ player who, for a while, only played CSMs. I understand he has since given up since he has all the other choices at his disposal. Given your lack of choices I agree that you should stick to Bac. If everyone at your casino quit the CSMs the CSMs wouldn't last long.

A similar thing happened in the US. The casinos tried to insert a "must bet every hand" rule in Bac because they were successful inserting this rule in BJ. But the players united and boycotted the offending casinos. They soon gave up trying to insert this rule in Bac. I led the Player revolt myself. We told the casinos that true international Baccarat has the no bet option and if they insist on that new rule they can't still call it Baccarat. When a pit boss tried to make me bet every hand at a $100 mini bac table at Stardust, Vegas I asked her what she was going to call this new game she invented. This was a very loud exchange and drew the attention of every Bac Player at the 16 tables in the high stakes parlor. I called it blatant casino cheating. When she threw me out every player in the high stakes room got up and left with me leaving their high stakes room empty on a Saturday night. She was immediately fired. But she showed up again at Foxwood CT.

I'm playing $100 table at Foxwood, 1000 miles away, when I heard that very familiar voice: "Ellis you must bet every hand or leave - Other people are waiting to play." I stood up and offered my seat to the spectators very loudly. There were no takers. When she persisted my huge Asian friend next to me at 1st base smashed the table with his fist so hard evey chip flew out of the dealer tray, saying "Lady this is our game. Leave us alone or we will all leave." She ran out of the room in total fear. I never saw her again and no casino ever mentioned an every hand rule ever again. Such is the power players hold IF they know to use that power.

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