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Hi all!

This is my first post (and hopefully not the last) and I need our guidance because I don't know what to do.

First of all I'm very keen to learn Baccarat. I have read this forum's posts again and again couple of months now. I've also read Imspirit blog about several systems and those testing but overall I truly believe in NOR and that there is something in that system that I find very fascinating. I've also made my own testing in several excel-sheets with 20 live dealt hands in internet casino. These tests was based on information what I've learned from Keith's uploaded youtube videos and information here in forum. I tried them on real money with bets starting with 0,10 € so it didn't really matter that I lost couple of euros.

A little bit of myself. My name is Henri and I live in Finland. I'm 25 years old and I'm currently unemployed so I don't have nothing but time to learn. I have been interested in casino games (first roulette, then baccarat) a couple of years from now. Yes, I started trying to beat roulette with martingale ( I know now that it was a big mistake) and ofcourse I lost. Nothing big but couple of hundreds euros. I didin't make enough research on that matter. So I think that you understand why I'm very skeptical for any system that there is.

Next one sounds very complex but try to keep on :)

The situation is this; we have (believe or not) only one casino with one baccarat table in my country and that casino is located in our capital Helsinki (ofcourse). Why is it so? Because ( It's hard to explain in english so I used google translator) "Slot Machine Association RAY, is a public association, which was founded in 1938 to raise funds for gaming operations to the Finnish health and social welfare to support the activities. RAY has the exclusive right of slot machines and casino gaming and casino right in Finland. Slot Machine is based on a legislative monopoly." And additional to that there is this rule in casino that "if bank wins with 6, payout is 55 % from bet size (with 1 € bet you get 0,55 €) but that is irrelevant when using NOR, I think.

And then there is Blackjack. We have blackjack tables every nightclub BUT in tie situation the dealer wins. In casino with tie you get your bet back but the cards are shuffled in automatic shuffling machine and after every dealt, cards are put back in the machine randomly so there is no shuffling pauses at all. In night clubs cards are shuffled manually.

So my big question is; Is there any point of me to spend time to learn either the NOR in baccarat or subscribe in WCB (or other systems) because do they work here in my country? Another matter is that because I live in Europe we have range variaty of internet casinos with live dealers. And they shuffle cards manually. So do these methods (NOR or WCB) work on internet casinos because it's only way to me to play casino games ( or I have to travel 2h in our capital to play in real casino). And should I start first learning blackjack and then advance to baccarat?

Another point is that 600 $ = 450 € for baccarat manual is a lot of money for me so I want to be 100 % sure that this works in my country (or my wife would be very, and I mean VERY unhappy :D). I do have all the enthusiasm and willing to learn either baccarat or blackjack methods or both! My dream is to one day to come in Vegas and spend holiday in there and play a bit.. and if I can pay my trip with my winnings so it's sounds like a free trip :)

Sincerely

Henri aka Expertti

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Hi Henri and welcome to the public forum!

Thanks for your excellent post! You English is easy to understand.

First, Your local BJ game is out. We call that charity BJ. Is is played to raise money for various charities and there is no way to beat it.

As for your one Baccarat table, It might be good and it might not. I need to know more about it:

I suspect they use regular cards since there is only one game. If you could arrange to be in Helsinki when the table opens I need to know:

Do the cards come to the table in 8 sealed boxes of regular cards in boxed card order or do they come to the table in a preshuffled 8 deck bundle?

Then I need a discription of the card prep: What do they do with the cards to prepare them when they first open the table.

And finally, is there a shuffle machine involved or is everything done by hand?

Could you copy a shoe without playing? Will they let you do that?

You could post a shoe using our shortcut method:

B21324152

means: BB P BBB PP BBBB P BBBBB PP

We usually do shoes in columns of 20 plays since that is the way we arrange our scorecards.

As for on line games:

I can't yet recommend BJ on line. So far they don't seem to have any standard BJ games on line but I expect them to any day now. But so far, on line BJ is out. So there is no point in your learning WCB right now.

But On line Baccarat is a good option. You need to stick to on line casinos that deal a live Baccarat game and have multiple tables to choose from. Several players here play on line and can guide you to the best on line casinos. Personally I can't play on line because it is illegal in my State.

So your best bet at this time is NOR. Maybe for your Helsinki casino, we'll see, but definitely for on line play.

Sorry but that is the best we can do, given your circumstances.

BTW, you would not be the first European to come to Vegas and pay for your trip through our teachings.

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Ellis...There are a few regular Live Blackjack sites that have several tables with varying limits...$5 up to $50,000 I think but none are accessible from the US...I'm damned if I know who puts 50 grand on a game of BJ on the internet...lol...There can be a long wait if you are waiting for a first or third Base seat to become available

So saying...there are many more Live Baccarat sites than BJ with minimum bets as low as 10c for practice or even play money if you prefer

I'm already convinced that my $600 investment in the NOR Manual is going to work out to be the best investment I have ever made

Oz

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Ellis...There are a few regular Live Blackjack sites that have several tables with varying limits...$5 up to $50,000 I think but none are accessible from the US...I'm damned if I know who puts 50 grand on a game of BJ on the internet...lol...There can be a long wait if you are waiting for a first or third Base seat to become available

So saying...there are many more Live Baccarat sites than BJ with minimum bets as low as 10c for practice or even play money if you prefer

I'm already convinced that my $600 investment in the NOR Manual is going to work out to be the best investment I have ever made

Oz

Henri, just to give you an idea, This bloody Aussi just won 19 out of 22 Bac shoes and his winning shoes averaged 3 times his losing shoes.

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Hi all!

So my big question is; Is there any point of me to spend time to learn either the NOR in baccarat or subscribe in WCB (or other systems) because do they work here in my country? Another matter is that because I live in Europe we have range variaty of internet casinos with live dealers. And they shuffle cards manually. So do these methods (NOR or WCB) work on internet casinos because it's only way to me to play casino games ( or I have to travel 2h in our capital to play in real casino). Sincerely

Henri aka Expertti

Henri,

Just to jump in here, it does sound like playing a good, legal online game will probably wind up being your best option at this time.

There are literally 100's of online casinos "available" to the European community but I would stay with the established, well known names, especially when you finally go on-line, live, with real money. Although I play 90% of my baccarat "online", I have very little experience with the better online casinos around the world. My only choice at this time is a casino in Costa Rica and in fact, it is merely a baccarat/casino studio with video feeds, but the game is legitimate and with live dealers, it's just like being in the casino, minus the smoke and all the fuss!

If you do decide to play online, be sure and TEST, TEST, TEST and then practice, practice, practice until you're 100% comfortable with the particular casino's practices. There is no need to rush in and start wagering right away. Play, practice, test. Almost all of the better casinos do allow you to practice play on the same tables that they play for real money.

Here's hoping this helps. A lot of study and preparation BEFORE jumping into the live casino will pay off in the end.

MVS

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Hi Sea,

Is the Celtic Casino , believe it's in Costa Rica , the one you use ?

Thanks

Johnnycs1,

No, I use BetPhoenix.ag as my online source. I've been with them for a few years now and no real complaints from me to speak of.

I'm not an "affiliate" or anything and my play at this particular casino has been documented and mentioned in several earlier threads.

I am merely a player at the only venue available to me from my desk!

MVS

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Thank you all for your replys!

First of all, thank you for looking this investment for NOR at my point of view. I really appreciate it!

Ellis: Unfortunately I'm incapable to answer your questions right now. I'm going to pay a visit to Helsinki but not earlier than this summer. Then I will make those observations and hopefully get your questions answered. All the information, that I posted earlier regarding to baccarat and blackjack tables here in Finland, I got from casino's website. Excluding blacjack-tables in bars and nightclubs.

MVSeahog: Yes, test, test and test.That's going to be the plan before entering real money games. I trust at least one online casino where I have had account for years. They have also live feed baccarat and if your not betting they don't cut your feed off. That means that you can easily observate shoes without betting and test NOR. Hopefully circumstances are positive for NOR :)

Last but not least, I'm convinced that I'm going to make a right decision when purchasing NOR. So I see you all in private forum in a few days!

BTW is there any other members from Europe? I would happily have a few words with you guys :)

-Expertti-

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