Loosing Shoe Casino Niagara Falls 04-30-2014

[Golfgirl007]

I have attached my 2 loosing shoes from today's attempt at the $50 level on my Millionaire in a Month quest. Please take a look and tell me everything that I did wrong and how you would have played these 2 shoes. I am eager to learn, so, let it rip!!

[kachatz1]

I have attached my 2 loosing shoes from today's attempt at the $50 level on my Millionaire in a Month quest. Please take a look and tell me everything that I did wrong and how you would have played these 2 shoes. I am eager to learn, so, let it rip!![ATTACH]2910[/ATTACH]

GGirl-

Maybe started a bit too soon, and look at anything I have e.v.e.r. posted and you will see my disdain for looking at someone else play and commenting. " what you could/should have done"

So all I'll say is this ...

4D would have gotten you home in time for the reruns of your favorite TV show ...

Which Disparity?

Check it out

But again, I caution game conditions " real time " are unfair comparison with " back seat driver"

Keep learning!

Soon you will have many, many BTC tricks of the Trade at your disposal!!

[Golfgirl007]

Thank you for your comments. Very helpful. I am back to studying my manual. What is the 4D system?

[kachatz1]

Hole in ty1-

Pm me your email address and I will comment on how to integrate NOR with 4D, with shoe example

Just remember, there is NO SYSTEM beats every shoe...

[Wendel]

I have attached my 2 loosing shoes from today's attempt at the $50 level on my Millionaire in a Month quest. Please take a look and tell me everything that I did wrong and how you would have played these 2 shoes. I am eager to learn, so, let it rip!![ATTACH]2910[/ATTACH]

were these 2 shoes played on different tables or on the same table ?

Did you select M3 for your mode based on the O/R count ?

One could have justified playing both of these shoes with OTB4L.

I think playing the less aggressive prog in the second shoe to confirm the mode was a good idea.

I would have liked to see the next outcome in both shoes.

Perhaps you quit too soon.

I have no real criticism of how you played S40 M3, but I noticed that both shoes would have played

better with OTB4L.

[Golfgirl007]

Thank you for your kind response.

1) yes, the 2 shoes were played on different tables.

2) no, I selected M3 based on the advice from one of our forum members who plays SD40M3 all the time. I did not use the OR count to select the mode.

3) I replayed both shoes using OTB4L entering the shoe at the same place that I entered the shoe using SD40M3. The results are that the first shoe would have yeilded a result of +2 units and the second shoe would have yeilded results of +1 units.

4) Yes, I should have recorded the next few plays after I stopped playing to see if I should have played on, I shall do that in the future.

I think my mistake was that I was searching for a SD40M3 shoe and I did not see enough of a history of that bias before I entered. It was only 4 or 5 plays that showed SD40M3 and perhaps 4 or 5 plays is not a true bias? Perhaps I should look for 12 to 15 to 20 plays to show me a true bias? Not sure??

[Wendel]

Thank you for your kind response.

1) yes, the 2 shoes were played on different tables.

2) no, I selected M3 based on the advice from one of our forum members who plays SD40M3 all the time. I did not use the OR count to select the mode.

3) I replayed both shoes using OTB4L entering the shoe at the same place that I entered the shoe using SD40M3. The results are that the first shoe would have yeilded a result of +2 units and the second shoe would have yeilded results of +1 units.

4) Yes, I should have recorded the next few plays after I stopped playing to see if I should have played on, I shall do that in the future.

I think my mistake was that I was searching for a SD40M3 shoe and I did not see enough of a history of that bias before I entered. It was only 4 or 5 plays that showed SD40M3 and perhaps 4 or 5 plays is not a true bias? Perhaps I should look for 12 to 15 to 20 plays to show me a true bias? Not sure??

Although the 4 iar at the top of the first shoe may not have been a "true 4 iar" ,being the result of the cut. It may

have been enough to disqualify this table as a s40M1 table. At the very best a 4iar puts you on the run and down 5.

Does your experienced friend recommend to you that you play s40 M3 and quit if you lose a progression ?

[Golfgirl007]

No, he does not. After loosing a progression, he switches sides for 1 bet and stays on that side unitl he looses. If he should win his progression M3 bet, he remains on that side until he looses. It is a hybrid of SD40M3 and FSS. He is playing chop unitl it turns into a streak and just follows the streak until it ends then resumes SD40M3. It is working for him just fine thus far in his Millionaire in a Month quest. Do you happen to know what system Norm played before he passesd away?

[trbfla]

Is he using a progression like 123 or u1d2?

[Golfgirl007]

1,2,3 progression.

[trbfla]

So he plays for three chop then follows a streak after. A 3rd loss on chop correct?

[Wendel]

No, he does not. After loosing a progression, he switches sides for 1 bet and stays on that side unitl he looses. If he should win his progression M3 bet, he remains on that side until he looses. It is a hybrid of SD40M3 and FSS. He is playing chop unitl it turns into a streak and just follows the streak until it ends then resumes SD40M3. It is working for him just fine thus far in his Millionaire in a Month quest. Do you happen to know what system Norm played before he passesd away?

I kind of like that approach, including playing on S40 M3. Unfortunately , I only have a 1 table casino and a 2 table casino, so I have to play what

there is or not play.

I believe that Norm played a 2 hi mandatory 2 prog, mandatory 2 means that all a 2 bet follows a 1 bet whether the 1 bet wins or loses.

I think that he also would suspend the mandatory 2 bet if it fell where he didn't want to make a 2 bet there for some reason.

He intended to explain it in more detail, but there is a post somwhere where he gives a brief description. If you search through

the posts by Norma (there aren't that many) you may find what he has posted on the topic.

A lot of his posts are good reads anyway.

I have been experimenting with something similar I think, but I like to play it with S40 M2. this works out to the second optional OTR

bet alway being a 2 bet.

I don't have your scorecard in front of me, but I would have bet 121 atr and 2 otr (or 0 otr to maintain the integrity of the M3)

[VeeMan]

Hi Golfgirl007,

I tried your shoes on last night (huh?) but then my internet went out until this morning so wasn't able to post the results, so here we go.

I've been generally waiting for at least 5 or 6 hands to be played before jumping in.

I'm not sure if it's wise to switch systems within a shoe, but by "feeling out" the OR count

as it moves quickly in one direction or another i've been able to adjust accordingly.

Played both your shoes with a combo of OTB4L and S40.

Here is how it went....enjoy!

(v)

[VeeMan]

Sorry, I don't know how to rotate the image within the post.