Tracking consecutive 2 or mores

[brad01]

We have triggers for sporadic ones and double 1's

Which if you look at it another way its tracking ZZ runs- after 3 ZZ runs of 3 bet the next potential 3ZZ goes 4

After 2 ZZ runs of 4 bet the next potential 3 ZZ stays 3

What I have found is that consecutive 2 or more patterns can be tracked and are pretty random - random enough to play MDB+ triggers on them - well I have been and it seems to work.

Eg

1121211312241

Track the consecutive 2 or mores above and you get:

1113

That's 3 single 2 or mores without a consecutive 2 or more going 2+

Then bet the next 2 or more goes double 2 or more

Or another way of looking at it is: After 4 ZZ runs without a 2 ZZ bet the next potential 2 ZZ stays 2.

Any thoughts?

[kachatz1]

We have triggers for sporadic ones and double 1's

Which if you look at it another way its tracking ZZ runs- after 3 ZZ runs of 3 bet the next potential 3ZZ goes 4

After 2 ZZ runs of 4 bet the next potential 3 ZZ stays 3

What I have found is that consecutive 2 or more patterns can be tracked and are pretty random - random enough to play MDB+ triggers on them - well I have been and it seems to work.

Eg

1121211312241

Track the consecutive 2 or mores above and you get:

1113

That's 3 single 2 or mores without a consecutive 2 or more going 2+

Then bet the next 2 or more goes double 2 or more

Or another way of looking at it is: After 4 ZZ runs without a 2 ZZ bet the next potential 2 ZZ stays 2.

Any thoughts?

Brad likely warrants sainthood, or, at minimum a Merit Badge, for his timeless efforts to keep the discussion going.

Uncertainty we all harbor in our mind is ( talking to the Casino)

" What Have You Done For Me Lately"?

Important?

YES

A New Day Dawning?

Hardly

Something we could examine/ look at?

And precisely " the rules of engagement"?

Well, that is something I sent to Keith, and not sure what he will do with it...

[Keith Smith]

HEy Guys I got the 4d analyzer working again and going to try to add some stuff to it.

I am thinking we could have it track patterns and make bets what would you suggest I have it do?

K

http://beatthecasino.com/dev/member_add_user.php

I am a real skeptic that the oo/tt is a significant statistic to be Honest. What do you guys think?

What Should I have it do so far as betting a game program it to show how it would do with 40 Mode 1, 2 and 3 and all the other approaches.

Also I was going to make the page dynamic such that it only offers you the next hand to input after you place in hand 1 and so forth

KEith

KS

[Wendel]

HEy Guys I got the 4d analyzer working again and going to try to add some stuff to it.

I am thinking we could have it track patterns and make bets what would you suggest I have it do?

K

http://beatthecasino.com/dev/member_add_user.php

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I am a real skeptic that the oo/tt is a significant statistic to be Honest. What do you guys think?

What Should I have it do so far as betting a game program it to show how it would do with 40 Mode 1, 2 and 3 and all the other approaches.

Also I was going to make the page dynamic such that it only offers you the next hand to input after you place in hand 1 and so forth

KEith

KS

Hi Keith,

can you make it read a BTC encoded shoe from a file or database into an array

Then interactively present the next outcome in response to a user bet on either bank or player (in units)

Wendel

[Keith Smith]

Yes I am sure it can be done but it will take some time

So you are saying this is the game in the database

"P123236321112222 - and thousands more.

Bet now based on the bet tell me how i did and then make the next bet - how did I do etc?

I am sure I can.

Is that what you mean?

K

[Wendel]

Yes I am sure it can be done but it will take some time

So you are saying this is the game in the database

"P123236321112222 - and thousands more.

Bet now based on the bet tell me how i did and then make the next bet - how did I do etc?

I am sure I can.

Is that what you mean?

K

Yes, primarily this feature would be a practise tool where we wouldn't be able to see the

outcomes before we bet. I am currently not 4D player so , this feature is primarily

what I am interested in. IF there were such a database members might be encouraged to store their shoes there for practise and to share with the forum membership.Resoource consumption on the BTC server might become an issue, so we might want to have private databases on our own pc's.

Even entering the shoe before playing would be a step forward but i don't have the pc programming

skills to make it happen

This might also be a great smartphone app(as a practise tool).

I would also like to have a private databse for portability.

BTW, I had a look at the 4d analyser app and I think it is really slick

Wendel

If you dressed this up a bit with a toteboard and some stats , It might be marketable (even without the 4D)

Edited July 29, 2015 by Wendel
typo's spelling omossions

[brad01]

I see the OOTT as a good tool from my limited knowledge of 4D

I see it as a tell as to whether the shoe will produce 3's as that is what makes the count go up

So I see 4D as like SAP in a way because:

PB tells us if Strong sided - usually with 2 or mores on 1 side and 1's and 2's on the other in order to bring the count up

OR tells us whether more opposites than repeats - a high count can only be generated by lots of 1's or a low count by 3+'s

OT tells us likelihood of 2's if high or 1's and 3+ runs

OOTT tells us likelihood of 3's being generated as perfect OOTT count is consecutive 3's?

I see some real power in 4D but I also see a lot of time, and patience in being able to keep counts quickly and interpret them.

We have 1 guy at least who vouches for the power of 4D

Like everything - you only get out of it what you put into it.

[kachatz1]

OMG

I had a dream earlier this evening ( it's 3:46 am in Vegas), and in my dream some aliens walked right through my front door, never bothering to ring the bell or knock...

They asked me some questions about 4D, never threatening, just inquisitive...so I knew they weren't CasinoCops, from a place far, far away.

So I answered 'em, and they managed to let themselves out...

Here's two shoes from the RED ROCK, played last 24 hours...and this is what I told them...

P1221123721311132121151212311312

B1353221111231111621111211112221213312

If anyone thinks the OO/TT count does not matter, or is too much trouble keeping track of, so be it.

Could have " beat" either shoe with NOR, you just gotta know...

( and this is when they left, because they already could read my mind)

You just gotta know when to " shift gears", and in both shoes, playing 4D, the OO/TT count was just as important as the P/B , O/R, OTBL/TBL counts...

Look, I learned to drive on a " stick -shift" '64 VW Beetle.

Took my Driver's License test in it.

Not so tough going downhill, pretty much like an automatic...you are all used to that, right?

But going uphill, and sitting at a traffic light,wanting to make sure you don't " back into" the car behind you, or you don't know how to use " the clutch" to hold your car steady?

Now THAT is just like Baccarat...

And just thinking out loud, but if Heiman Schmedlap shows up in tomorrow night's dream, looking like Colonel Klink from Hogan's Heroes, and he's asking me about 5D, do you really think I'll be surprised?

Nope.

( and YES, those are real shoes...)

[kachatz1]

Not sure if you need a different password to access the Vegas Forum, so I'll post these shoes here

Both from Green Valley Ranch down in Henderson, a quick drive from Las Vegas. Part of the Station Casinos " family"

B1112111112242131121353313127

Biggest thing was switch from O leadership first 25 hands, or so, to big second half swing to Repeats...also caught a nice MDB bet ( rule 4) at the end of shoe...

B1112112121212131121631222212231212112

Huge 4D compatible shoe with O, OTBL and TT all with impressive margins over their counterpart...Pretty good NOR shoe as well

5-2's, then later 6-2's before a 3 left me limping a bit...

But, did win the single Dragon bonus bet I played (40-1), and I rarely do this because casino odds are so low to win any one D7 bet...

Here's what happened:

Four hands previous resulted in B/P hands scored as 6/7, 7/1, 0/7, and 6/7...

So I figured WTF, and bet $25 on the D7.bonus bet ( 3- card 7 Banker win)

Result was B7/P6...2-10 cards and a 7 on Banker hand!

Not saying this was a great percentage bet...but since I keep track of each hands' " score", this just seemed to make sense...

BTW, I also bet tie on the same hand ( and lost), because so many ties are either 6-6 or 7-7, and the three hands before the four I cited above played out as follows...8/6, 7/1 and 6/2...lots of 6's and 7's all clustered together...

Ok, got to go do some real work...good luck out there!