Baccarat Hall of Fame Member wolfat Posted March 21, 2011 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Hi guys!I subscribed in a Baccarat Tournament between members of BaccaratForums, It was a challenge between members, to prove our skill and learning sources.I decided to start with System 40 from S40A because I find it quite flexible and because I'm quick to change on my feet to fit the shoe at hand..My plan was to wait few hands initially (I started at pl.6) to see how the shoe was starting and to adapt the system to the outcome. Even if not in the rules, in case of very low 1s my idea was to skip the 1st bet, starting from the 2nd of the series. Fortunately the shoe was mostly choppy and I didn't need any variations.I started flat betting and then switched to 1,2,3. No higher bets were needed.It helped also the fact that till the 2nd half of the shoe no 4s appeared so I set 4s as culprit and this held up to the end.I made a couple of mistakes during the tournament, esp. due to typing otherwise my score would have been higher.Notice that I was 1st in the 2 categories: the HIGHER SCORE and the HIGHER NUMBER OF BETS WON.This is due to the correct reading of the shoe according to SYSTEM 40 method and a little adjustment from play 70 to 84 where I switched to OTB4L to catch a 2s run. The strength of this system is the flexibility and with little adjustment you can make it fit every shoe. Naturally it takes some learning effort and practicing before fighting the casino but results are guaranteed if you stick to your plan and NEVER DEVIATE from it!good shoes everyone!andrea :cool: Quote bacclover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted March 21, 2011 Users Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Good Job Andrea! That ought to show them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Hi guys!I subscribed in a Baccarat Tournament between members of BaccaratForums, :cool: Andrea, Yep, I saw that you were going to play in that and then saw the results. A hearty well done for sure!! MVS Quote What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMi Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Congrats AndreaHave you got a link to it? I just want to see how the other players did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted March 22, 2011 Users Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Congrats AndreaHave you got a link to it? I just want to see how the other players did.Ha, they are from BF. They suck! Sorry, I just couldn't help myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member wolfat Posted March 22, 2011 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Congrats AndreaHave you got a link to it? I just want to see how the other players did.Rob,I PMd you.andrea Quote bacclover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 I must confess that I was also in this tournament, under my old BF name ofBaccarat Kid, aptly stolen from one of Archer's pseudonyms. I finished secondto Andrea by one winning bet. I also played S40 from the start. I played justas I would have in the casino. My highest bet was 4 units and that happenedonly twice in the shoe. As Andrea said it was choppy, never a run more than4, altho there were ZZ runs of 5, 5 and 8, all of which I caught. I hit +30 in the middle of the 4th column. If it was real play I would have gotten out somewhere in the high 20's. I went from +30 to +19 when I missed most of the 2's Andrea jumped on, but I came back to +25 at the end. Two of the other 4 players wound upahead, one was even and one got killed, but Andrea and I finished 1-2. I alsomade one typing error that cost me 2 units. I must say that the whole thing wasrun very well. One of the guys ran a computer program that simulated an 8 deckshoe and posted results after every hand. It was played out on Skype and took about90 minutes after a few kinks slowed things at the start. Garnabby did not show up.Here is the shoe. Columns don't add up to 20 because of ties, which were ignored.B1221133111131B22311111131P11411411321B21113222143There will be another shoe played next Sunday at 5 eastern time.CheersPaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Baccarat Hall of Fame Member wolfat Posted March 23, 2011 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Hi Paul,BTC members always ON TOP!ciaoandrea Quote bacclover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted March 23, 2011 Users Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) I must confess that I was also in this tournament, under my old BF name ofBaccarat Kid, aptly stolen from one of Archer's pseudonyms. I finished secondto Andrea by one winning bet. I also played S40 from the start. I played justas I would have in the casino. My highest bet was 4 units and that happenedonly twice in the shoe. As Andrea said it was choppy, never a run more than4, altho there were ZZ runs of 5, 5 and 8, all of which I caught. I hit +30 in the middle of the 4th column. If it was real play I would have gotten out somewhere in the high 20's. I went from +30 to +19 when I missed most of the 2's Andrea jumped on, but I came back to +25 at the end. Two of the other 4 players wound upahead, one was even and one got killed, but Andrea and I finished 1-2. I alsomade one typing error that cost me 2 units. I must say that the whole thing wasrun very well. One of the guys ran a computer program that simulated an 8 deckshoe and posted results after every hand. It was played out on Skype and took about90 minutes after a few kinks slowed things at the start. Garnabby did not show up.Here is the shoe. Columns don't add up to 20 because of ties, which were ignored.B1221133111131B22311111131P11411411321B21113222143There will be another shoe played next Sunday at 5 eastern time.CheersPaulThat's because Garnabby hasn't a clue how to play. Thinks the game can't be beat.This is just phenomenal! First Place was fabulous. But those idiots will say its just luck. But First AND Second. Hard to argue with that. Seems like a pretty strong trend to me. I wish I could post over there but Mike has my IP blocked due to my Son's misguided posts over there. Can't say as I blame him. But it seems I can blame him NOW!New members: BF or BaccaratForums is the second leading Baccarat site on the internet with BTC being first but I must add that they are a very distant second. About the only constructive Baccarat posts you'll see there are mine, posted under "Ellis". Their whole forum is one huge argument. The fact that BTC took first and second place in their tournament should tell you something. We are a cut above. Our systems actually work. Note how both of our long standing members selected the same system. and beat all comers. It's no surprise to me. BF has no teacher. Esp, now that I am blocked.Hey Paul, Andrea, maybe I can get one of you guys to post for me over there. My user name is "Ellis" and my password is theplayer. Here's my post:"I see my beatthecasino guys took First and Second place in your tournament. I rest my case! Ellis" I'm sure that will start another war. Just mention that you are posting for me because my IP is banned. Maybe that will help get me unbanned. But probably not.BTW here's the message I get when I try to log in at BF:"vBulletin MessageYou have been banned for the following reason:Disruptive behavior with absolutely no constructive baccarat discussion.Date the ban will be lifted: Never"Ain't that cute. Edited March 23, 2011 by ECD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaCcArAt KiNg Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Congrats Andrea and Paul!I read the posts on the BF site.What a way to show camaraderie with other bacc players on BF.More 9s to you guys!BK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 I must confess that I was also in this tournament, under my old BF name ofBaccarat Kid, aptly stolen from one of Archer's pseudonyms. PaulHey! An excellent job by both of you.Well done!!MVS Quote What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Smith Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Yea now bring on your standard deviation BULLSHIT which they know nothing about anyway, or any distribution let alone which one to use in a gambling situation, to prove random or non random, and we will give them a lesson on variable change and more importantly assignable cause variation. I never see anyone commenting on that which is what counts. I guess getting first and second was luck? For my money it was expected results considering we know how to play the game better. We know and learn things they don't know. But their egos get in their own way. Just like in Vegas when the infinite genius who stood behind us and watched us win hand after hand saying all they were doing was playing OTB4l. No shit that's what was working in the game. Quote Join us in Vegas for the Back to Vegas Seminar at the Crescent Dealer's School Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted March 24, 2011 Users Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) Well I actually didn't want to start that much of a war. I was thinking more of an Obama type approach to war.You know I'm not surprised that these particular two guys took first and second place. I've met and played with both of them. Zebra, many times. You couldn't hope to meet two finer gentlemen. Had dinner with Andrea and his wife at the finest restaurant in Vegas. Have had fine dinners with Zebra many times, many places. I'm not surprised they won because both are the kind of real men that will be successful in anything they attempt. They are both disciplined, well studied and well practiced. Both great examples for the new guys.I have often compared Baccarat to Golf. It's like a gun fight. Very decisive. The best man wins. All the preemptive BS and posturing becomes instantly meaningless. The cards are on the table. Now we find out who the best man is.It's very much like the hundred or so public casino Bac and BJ exhibitions I performed after each of my seminars. There you are. There's the table. There's the dealer. There's my chips, always 12 blacks. 150 people are watching your every play. You don't get do-overs. Now, you put your money where your mouth is. All bull shit aside. I won every single time.The card counting sites say: "empirical data is meaningless, he probably cheated." Oh really? To me, like most players, winning is everything. Their "correct play" is what becomes instantly meaningless. And exactly how does a player cheat in either game? Unless you call skill cheating.How did I do that? That's exactly what I'm trying to teach you. Edited March 24, 2011 by ECD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member wolfat Posted March 28, 2011 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Hi Guys,2nd appointement with sunday bac tourn.Another time me and Zebra was winners!!!!This time I was 1st for money won and 2nd for bets won.Zebra was 2nd in money but 1st for bets won.Do you think this is casuality? B.T.C. MEMBERS ALWAYS ON TOP!!!!!!!!ciaoandrea Quote bacclover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Hi Guys,2nd appointement with sunday bac tourn.Another time me and Zebra was winners!!!!This time I was 1st for money won and 2nd for bets won.Zebra was 2nd in money but 1st for bets won.Do you think this is casuality? B.T.C. MEMBERS ALWAYS ON TOP!!!!!!!!ciaoandreaWow. You guys ROCK!Once again a hearty well done from down here in south Florida.MVS Quote What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted March 28, 2011 Users Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) Wait a minute! Somthing fishy is going on here. I smell a rat! There is no way that the same 2 players could come in 1st and 2nd .... in 2 Separate Baccarat Tournaments!! No way on earth......that is, UNLESS both of those guys happen to be members of the best baccarat forum on the planet.. BTC!Great work Andrea and Paul. You make us proud!PJ Edited March 28, 2011 by ECD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Hi AllThe 2nd shoe was much more streaky than the first. There were runs of 5, 5, 7 (all Banker)and a ZZ of 6. S40 handled it quite well with a max bet of 5 units (twice) thanks to the helpof the SAP count. I finished +27 units before commish. There was also a 3rd shoe whichAndrea did not play - lucky for him. It bounced from chop to streak to chop. I was at + 14at play 16 and down to -12 after a couple of streaks at play 34. I managed to finish at +4units (1.5 after commish). Of the 6 participants in Shoe 2, only 4 including me and Andrea won more bets than they lost.one of the others still managed to lose over 400 units anyway. After 3 shoes I am +51.5units after commish while never betting more than 5 units. All I can say isTHANK YOU MASTER ELLISOnce again your methods come out on top!Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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