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  4. Moved to Green today

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted · Edited by Norm A

    Hi MVS

    First thanks for the info.

    I am so glad that after 5 or 6 months of doing lots of hard work you are doing so well.

    I hope it stays that way ( the doing well part)

    To get the final count did you use a stop win, if so what was it ?

    Did you play some shoes to the end and were some 6 decks and some 8 decks?

    What do you mean by falling stop wins at the half-decade in column three or four.

    Thanks

    Norm

  6. OTB4L Tricks of the trade

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    Res game uploaded for Ellis

    Thanks John. I forgot PJ is down and needs help. Can you email him at waterdoc@juno.com Joe has some weird problem.

    OK, I'm playing U1D2 M2. You must start at play 3 because that is the first play you know which side OTB4L is.

    I always start with a 3 bet OTB4L prog until and IF it loses but mind you I always find a good OTB4L table FIRST.

    I put the OTR bets in red just so you can see when I went OTR. Went back to OTB4L as soon as I lost ONE OTR bet.

    OK I finally lost my 3 bet prog at play 20 so I went two bets after that.

    ZZs were running about equal to straights and the CS count was very neutral so I played my ZZs and my Straights the same way.

    Note that you DON'T count your losing OTR bet as one of your losing OTB4L prog bets.

    What are your questions.

    BTW I recommend you play 2Hi with a 1, 1.5, 2 as Res did until you have good experience and you know you found a good table.

    Also note that this was only a 6 deck shoe or a short shoe.

    Is the 4th hand from the last correct if so why did you play TBL ???

    Thanks, Norm

  7. Moved to Green today

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted · Edited by Norm A

    Norm,

    You're making this more difficult that it needs to be.

    You've asked "which takes precedent" after losing a 111 series?

    They both are equal. You stop betting and change to the ZZ pattern.

    If you lose three in a row (or how ever many you finally decide is YOUR OWN stopping point) you stop betting but continue on paper betting in whatever mode you are supposed to be in.

    If you lose a B111 series, you then paper bet on the ZZ run until it either wins or loses.

    When you start Hand 66, you're currently sitting on a P2111 so your next paper bet is B. It loses. You go back to OTB4L.

    You're now looking at P2112 at hand 67 so the next PAPER wager is on P.

    It wins. You're now still in OTB4L mode and start back in with real money on Hand 68 at 1 on Player.

    Don't read more into the basic rules than need be.

    1. Start OTB4L.

    2. Change after three losses in a row.

    3. Paper bet until a win.

    4. Change back on the next loss.

    MVS

    Hi MVS

    Thanks for your help

    First off my orig. question was wrong, I asked

    "I see that in your sample shoe in post 13 on hands 61,62,63 that you stop betting after "111" that were 3 losses, would you always make this move in this case."

    It should have been on hands 51,52,53.

    The botton line is that I now understand what you are doing and how it works.

    But I don't understand why you bet on P in hand 63, were you not still OTB4L ???

    Thanks

    Norm

    PS: never mind I got it !!!! I looked at it for the 20th time an saw the 3 in a row to put you on the run. I think I missed it the other 19 times because it went to the next col.

    Some day I will get the hang of this, I have been on this Forum abut 6 wk but did not play live at the casino yet, but getting close.

  9. Moved to Green today

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted · Edited by Norm A

    Dom,

    You'll play OTB4L until the previously mentioned ZZ comes up of 4 according to BTC notation, but it looks like this:

    B242111.... The "111" signals a switch to betting the Z until it loses.

    The same thing happens with a streak of 3. Jump on the streak until it loses and then back to OTB4L.

    I stop betting after three losses. Losing a 1,2,1 or 2,1,2 bet stops play until a winning circle shows up playing whatever mode you were in. The betting then resumes at 1.

    MVS

    Hi MVS

    Sorry I an still a little confused,

    when you have 3 losses you stop betting.

    when you have "111`" you switch to betting the Z run

    Question: what if the "111" are 3 losses, Witch takes presadent stop or switch and why

    ???

    I see that in your sample shoe in post 13 on hands 61,62,63 that you stop betting after "111" that were 3 losses, would you always make this move in this case.

    Thanks

    Norm

  11. Moved to Green today

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    OK, here goes my best shot at this. I really didn't have anything to edit the scan with that looked like I knew what I was doing so I transposed the original scorecard to one of our own and will make the comment here for a running dialog of sorts.

    The shoe starts off with a B111 so I start betting the ZZ with a 1,2,1,2 wager. Stay on that until it loses.

    Hand 14 is the loser so we go back to the original OTB4L as we really don't know what we've got yet, just a bunch of one's!!

    Hand 22 loses the 2 bet but is also a run of 3 Banks so you'll jump on the run basically with RD1 or TB4L, whichever you want to call it.

    At this point in the shoe the only significant events are the 2's so far. That first ZZ run is not really a good indicator so you can discount most of it. At least that's what my brain was thinking about that time.

    Hand 28 loses and ends the run of Banks. No 3's and only one "real" 1 so I'm back to OTB4L.

    Hand 28, pencil broke! Fell back to the crappy casino pen. (Note, bring backup mechanical pencil)

    Hand 30 loses but starts another run with a P3. Jump on the run until it ends.

    Hand 36 ends the run, back to OTB4L and update the SAP count. Other than the streaks, there's only some 2's to deal with so it's OTB4L for now again.

    Hand 44 has us losing our first "three in a row". 2,1,2 lost so we now Skip until a winning circle appears.

    Hand 46 has the winning circle and we continue on with OTB4L at 1 unit.

    Hand 47 loses AND is the third Bank so we jump back on the Bank streak, we hope.

    Hand 51 loses and ends the streak, back to OTB4L and immediately lose the three in a row.

    Hand 54 is marked "played wrong" but that's incorrect. It was played correctly because if you'll look at hands 51,52,53 you'll see that they are the start of a ZZ run so the bet at 54 is correct.

    Hand 57 WAS played incorrectly though. With the winning hand at 55, you go back on OTB4L. I cost myself 2 units there with that mistake.

    Hand 64 has us losing still another three in a row so with Skip until a winning circle.

    Hand 66 is another incorrect OTB4L bet. I think my brain slipped into RD1 mode or something.

    Hand 67 wins the circle and you continue on with OTB4L to finish the shoe.

    Although this shoe had three losing runs of three for -13 units, it still produced a profit. Granted most of them will NOT be this large but the lack of three's and three HUGE streaks really put this one over the top for me.

    You can see from the casino card that the paperwork isn't overwhelming and if you understand the notation of SAP, it kind of falls into place once you get settled in.

    Hope this helps someone with the way I'm playing at this point in time.

    Now let's hope I can get these three graphics to post up!!

    MVS

    Hi MVS

    I playing around with this shoe and I notice something intertesting,

    When I used flat betting I ended with +11 ( same as you did )

    Flat betting with the corections I ended with +7

    Norm

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