Norm A
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How do you play 12, 12, 12 Prog? Thanks.
Peter
First never make a 2 unit bet until you win a 1 Unit bet.
After you win 1 unit start your Prog with a 2 unit bet. All 1s go to 2 and all 2s go to 1
You never make a 3 unit bet.
When you lose two bets iar ( 1,2 or 21) you start flat betting with 1 unit till you win, then back to the 12 Prog. as above in red.
Never make a 2 unit bet if your score is -2 or more, flat bet till you get your score up to at least a 0 or -1.
If you lose 3 bets iar stop and wait till you have 1 or 2 paper wins or you see a good signal to start betting again.
If you lose 2 bets after getting back in it is probably time to quit the shoe and find another one..
I very seldom lose more then 4 or 5 units in a shoe, that is my stop loss.
Note: if the shoe is exceptionally good and your score is high you could increase your Prog to a 23.
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I would like to know if there is anyway around a 5 iar into singles for otb. You will see in the show I am +7 at hand 17 with 1 unit bets
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You can see that the 5 iar into a 1111 was pretty killer as I went OTR on hand 21 and then switched back to OTB when it failed, then another 3 bets lost.
Anyhow, it looks easy after the fact as it goes into singles from hands 20-40, then it goes back to otb.
I mean if you want to do an 8 bet, then of course you can still come up, but that wouldn't of happened.
Also if you planned on switching to s40 around early 20s, you then are faced with the 5iar and a lost 3 bet which wouldn't be good as well.
Thanks all
I played the shoe by just following the shoe, for the most part this was a strong sided shoe for banker.
I scored a+ 15 at hand 58
Just playing 12,12,12 Prog.
I am walking out the door right now to catch a flight to Mississippi to go to the Casino.
So I will not be available to respond to anything else.
NormA
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start a new thread for the hard shoe,maybe it's me,but i found this shoe to be a hard shoe to follow,i didn't know if i should share this shoe with you or not,didn't want to rain on your parade,you might throw me off the train,LOL.a what the hell,maybe it well help us out,if not then just delete.as i was at the casino last night,all 6 tables full,so i sat at the slot machine and practiced paper playing watching the monitor in between peoples head's,but it's neat,sometimes the game goes faster leaving you behind but you don't know the answer,so you take your time,then just look up to see if you got the right answer,bingo got that one right and who do i see bending down low peeking through the crowd ,the pit boss,you believe that,watching me like a hawk,but they don't have any power at that distance,they look so,like an idiot LOL.I THINK I GOT THEM SCARED,I FEEL LIKE THE HUNTED IS NOW THE HUNTER,getting much faster at this,a lot less mistakes.but i wasn't hitting them like the other night.so i was glad i was just paper playing this shoe.i'm sure were going to run into shoes like this in the future,or maybe it's just me. b1,2,2,2,1,1,10,1.p1,1,1,1,2,1,4,3,1,1,3,1.b3,1,2,2,3,1,4,4.p2,4,1,1,1.then everyone left,it was a short shoe then they reshuffled.average shoe is around 70 to 80+ hands,this one 44,not counting ties
A little confused when you say this shoe was 44 hands, I count 69 hands, at any rate I quit this shoe at hand 68 with +10
Playing the way I play which is follow the shoe. What score did you get and how did you play it ? (what system)
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Google is our friend.
Here is an excellent explanation of what all of that means and how it came to be. A long read, but interesting if you're into the Roads and Roaches.
MVS
This was sent to me by a friend I am passing it along to all you might find it interesting.
https://itunes.apple.com/sg/app/baccarat-scoreboard/id725956678?mt=8
NormA
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hahaha professor you make mistake he is not wise infact not geniues even he can start a forum he is just a true idiot
he can know the skill but he don't know the essence 10 20 30 years down the road he will fail because when casino change he cannot adapt to it
he will just be another idiot school teach people how to be best clown in casino down the road like other school
a wise man learn how you think how you see not what you do
give him a good system he just success for a while learning to be another ellis
and make income from casino and help each other here is the optimal way to learn a art and have good reputation and weath.
BJplayer is far from being an idiot, in order to learn how a person thinks you must see what they do, you cannot be a mind reader.
In my younger days I was a flight instructor, the basis of teaching is, TELL, SHOW AND DO THEN LET THE STUDENT DO.
And idiot would be someone who thinks they could learn how to become a good Baccarat by just learning the rules of a system by picking up bits and pieces on the public forum.
Every good player on the private forum will tell you that it took them many years of practice and shearing ideas to become good, just knowing the system rules don't mean a damn thing. After many years and thousands of shoes played in live casino playing you won't even be using the rules, you will learn your own style of play from experience.
No one could teach you how to be a very good Baccarat player any more than Tiger Woods could teach you how to play golf the way he does.
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BJ, with all due respect, this sounds like the start of a NEW baccarat forum. You or anyone else can certainly do that, and share whatever knowledge your members have. There are many bulletin board services where such a forum could be started. To do that on the backs of what Ellis has put together here seems, well, a little aggressive and highly inappropriate. No one is forcing you to join the private forum -- (personally it is the BEST thing I ever did-- I have not had a loosing trip since late 2011 -- and I have LOTS of trips), but if it was up to me you wouldn't be able to use Ellis' forum and ideas to create a separate group/forum away from the this board. Good Luck to you.
In all fairness to BJplayer I don't think he was trying to start a new forum, I hope I am wrong but I believe he was just trying to establish contacts through email or Skype who would want to share thoughts, this is something that many of us have done in the past. The only difference and point that I was making is that he is wasting his time doing it with people from the public forum, when most of us did this in the past we did it amongst private members.
As a matter of fact there is a way of setting up a private group on BTC forum, although I do not know if a public member can do this.
Perhaps someday when he is able to afford it he will become a private member.
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we can share what we know...we can try to put all that we know and with shearing our opinoin maybe we can learn something..its easier to learn when there is more of you then when you are learning solo.
That is very true that is also what the private forum is all about. learning and shearing from and with people who have been doing this for a long time and know what they are doing.
learning and shearing from and with people who are not private members is like the blind leading the blind.
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Ok thats true ! but my idea was not to force someone to shere nor secrets with us. It was just for friendship and practising.
How can you practice when you didn't learn how to play properly yet. ? Whether it be Nor or any other system.
For friendship fine I will get on Skype with you and BS about the weather and anything else, I am always willing to make new friends.
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i understand you, but my opinion was that here will not come nobody from private forum because you already know nor and you have private forum where you have all that you need...this was for us who know matbe just basic of nor and we can have some idea how to play whay and so on.
Here is my 10c worth for what its worth.
This is not pointed to you personally BJplayer, this is only to the public members that want something for nothing.
All the members on the private forum paid to be here and learn from some of the best baccarat players in the world and contribute as they learn.
Quite frankly if a public member cannot afford $600 to become a private member, then you cannot afford to play Baccarat as you probably don't have any bankroll, so why bother learning.
If this is my forum I would not even have a public section.
Oz, you are 100% correct I would never post a score card with the way I played it in the public section,
As a matter of fact I don't even post them on the private section any longer as they seem to find a way in the hands of non-private members.
The bottom line is if you want to learn how to play baccarat from some of the best in the world, pay up like we all did and become one of the boys.
And someday you might become one of the best.
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NormA,
I do!!
MVS
One of the very few, Andy
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My idea is that we can organize some baccarat group call sometimes, where we can get know seach other, shere shoes, our exepiriance , tricks, maybe find some player from ouer country and so on. Its free for all members and also private members are welcome.
What do you guys think?
Who is interested can leave his skype name here. Or maybe some one heve some better idea with skype !
Cheers !
Sounds good to me but what bugs the shit out of me is that nobody ever says where they are from in their profile ????
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Thanks mate...It was hiding away in another folder (sneaky little sucker)
Another question if I may."Is there a way I can record this Webinar as I watch or is it easier for we non-geeks to wait for Keith to upload it?"
Take care
Oz
Do a Google search for snagit you can get 30 day free trial and record any Video or anything you see on your screen, And it is easy to use.
NormA
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thanks edgonsal
u sound like a professional
kachatz sound like a gambler
ur advice is more realistic
Dark
Everyone on this forum is a gambler, Whether they are new and just starting out or they have been here a long time and are professionals.
I get the impression that no matter what anybody says, you and pipecub want to believe that you could make a living gambling.
With that said I think the both of you should go try to do that, If you have the bankroll to do so.
Most people have to learn the answer to this question the hard way.
造化
NormA
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Just double checked my Baccarat directory and it's not there. Thought it would still be somewhere in the background but alas, not here.
MVS
I sent it Peteruk ask him for it.
NormA
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I think the casino named it wrong... It should be called 'European Roulette' it's website states "The principle of American Roulette is easy: the Dealer spins a ball around the rim of a revolving wheel which is divided into 37 equal compartments clearly numbered 0 to 36"
0 to 36 is European Roulette... and has 37 numbers... American Roulette has 38 numbers including double zero... even looking at the Video... it looks like a European Roulette Table... wonder why they got that wrong?
Peter
Thanks Peter for the clarification I thought it was a strange.
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Hi Norm,
I think they do have '0' Roulette Tables in London Casinos... No, I don't think you have to be a member to enter the casino for small wagers... not the ones I've been to recently around Leicester Square... but to wager large amounts of money the Pit Bosses will ask for your membership card... probably to prevent money laundering...
Only if that guy knew that a Single '0' Roulette table reduces the house advantage... and increases his chances of winning a bit... he could have stayed ;-)
Peter
I was referring only to the casino that you put a link to, as they only show 00 wheel on their web site.
I am aware that most of the casinos throughout Europe have single zero wheels.
It just seems strange that this casino did not.
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I think they play by Punto Banco Rules here and they do 9 to 1 ties and other variations of tie bets... to cater for the Asian group...
http://www.thecasinolsq.com/casino-game-details/punto-banco
Interesting seeing people betting/wagering loads of money in the £100+s or even £1000+s without using any noticeable system with a score card and etc... don't think I would ever do that! Knowing what I know from here... ;-)
Peter
Hi Peter
I find it very interesting that they do not have a European roulette wheel with a single zero.
I assume being in the heart of London that this is a tourist casino and you won't find many local Roulette Players playing at this casino with a 00 wheel.
Is it still the same as I remember from years ago that you must join the club in order to enter the casino ?
Here is a funny story from a few years back in Vegas.
I was playing at a single zero wheel when a young man came up to the table and started to play.
When he realized that he was at a single zero wheel he cashed in his chips and
said it was not fair for them to remove the 00 from the wheel.
The dealer and I could not stop laughing for 10 minutes.
It is no wonder how the casinos make so much money with dumb players like that.
NormA
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Hi Ellis,
I was having a bit if fun with the ProBac guy too... As it's a public area and flushing out his personality... he sounded like a real novice, not enough substance as a self-proclaiming teacher... ;-)
Yes, I understand the 3rd loss bet in the system now...
And yes the lightbulbs are turning on quite quickly once I find the resources and information I need, comparing and putting two an two together... The hacker who broke the links to files and pictures didn't help but we got there eventually with support from the members here, couldn't do it without them...
It's all simple and logical once you get your head around it... I think in pictures... Once we get the terminologies explained/defined the systems will get much easier to understand and implement...
Can you explain the 'iar' meaning? When I see this I'm thinking or tier's or level... Overall I'm starting to get use to most of the terminologies used here ;-)
Thanks,
Peter
Hi Peter this might help.
http://www.atochome.com/atochome1/Acronyms.htm
NormA
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The scorecard was added to post # 1.
I had a hell of a time getting Mediafire to work.
This thread should be a closed sticky thread so that new players don't have to keep asking where to find a scorecard.
NormA
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About 4 years ago the scorecard was a 4 column card, most of the members would make many of there mistakes when changing columns, including myself.
This is where the groups of 20 came from when using the shortcut method to post a shoe as the 4 columns were 20 hands each.
In order to avoid some of the these mistakes I designed a 2 column scorecard so that now you only change columns once instead of 3 times.
This card also folds in half nicely the long way to use at the table.
This card has hand numbers so that when you are discussing the shoe you could make reference to a hand.
You have columns for SAP up to 5+, you could use a 3 or 4 SAP count if you want,
just don't fill in the others.If you don't keep a SAP count just ignore 4 SAP columns.
It has a CT column for what ever count you want to use.
The score column is shaded so that you don't confuse it with the SAP column.
The other columns are self explanatory.
On top you could circle weather it was a MIDI or MINI table.
Note: The shaded S column was shaded to be printed on a non color printer, the shading will be lighter or darker
depending on your printer, as different printers will see it differently. I don't know what it will look like when printed on a color printer.
Print it and enjoy using it.
NormA
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Are strong side shoes played differnetly from F shoes ?
Is the difference that we should bet strong side shoes more aggressively ?
Yes, Stay on the strong side till you lose 2 iar and sometimes 3 iar depending on how strong the side is and slowly start to increase your bets.
NormA
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Okay. I understand that SAP tracks events. Could someone please explain to me how it works and how to use it. The straight run SAP is easy but I am having a hard time understanding the zig zag count.
Go to universal baccarat then to play options post # 2
Play options is on page 6 in universal baccarat section.
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I don't play on line so I can't advise about that but I think -12 is a sensible stop loss for U1D1M2. I do have lots of experience with that and I also used -12 with that progression. I do not think our 10,000 shoe test of U1D1 M2 OTB4L was a fluke. The fact is, if you can get back down to a 2 bet ANYWHERE in the shoe, you won! And all you had to do to accomplish that is win half your hands which is the given odds of the game. For instance, suppose you lose a 1234567 and then win an 8765432: You only won half your hands but your score for that "bet pyramid" is +7 MINIMUM! And that is the lowest your score could be. For every bet you lose getting back to 2, you win an extra unit and it is highly likely you'll lose a few. That progression seems to defy the odds of the game.
Also there may be more to the fact that Norm doesn't see 80+ shoes than meets the eye. Norm plays high stakes rooms exclusively and high stakes rooms are nearly always new cards every shoe. Think about it.
Yeah, I know, I'm always looking at the dark side. But that's my job!
After thinking about it, another thing that causes me not to see 80+ shoes, is that I very seldom play to the end of the shoe as
I am out of the with my stop win or loss by then.
NormA
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