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Hello Ellis, I am waiting for Keith to get in touch with me concerning sending a copy of FBB. I appreciate your offer. Have you notified Keith? Res

Hi Ellis, Way back in time, I was an NBJ purchaser. I also have a short manual, copyright 1992, "The NBJ First Base Strategy Supplemental Manual". Is this the same material that you are presently selling as FBB? Res

I'm confused. Are we abandoning System 40A? I had felt that we were getting somewhere, but we seem to be going off on tangents for the last 10 days, or so. I've been practicing with what I know of the system, but I still have questions about some of the finer points and would hate to see it dropped at this point. RES

Could someone try this shoe? It was my first practice shoe, and it ate my lunch. After trying about 3 shoes I went back and studied some more. I tried this again this morning and I did a little better. I probably would have quit about hand 50, or a little before. My progression was 3,4,5 I started with S40 and switched to F2 at hand 23, starting on the P side. I tried OTB4L at hand 42 when I saw that F2 wasn’t working, and that got me back to even. B1111232144 P133422131 P1231472 B2223

Hi Everyone, and Happy New Year! I have a question about the SAP chart. If it has been answered I apologize, I did look for an answer. We count 4s as 8X. So do we not count 5, 6, or more? In other words, does the 4s column include runs of 4+? I think I may have been looking at this wrong, but not sure. Thanks I think I found the answer Back on the 4s thread, Post #53: Again, it is NOT 4 or mores we are recording under the 4s heading. It is confirmed 4s. Remember, I said you can't confirm the length os an event until it is ended by an opposite. Then you go back and retroactively fill in your SAP chart. A 5 or 6 in a row is not a 4.

I think I understand most of S40A, so far. But I am uncertain about how to start a shoe / game. Assume that I have no history of the table or casino and that I don't know what card prep was used. So if I sit down at a table to play, how do I start? I did find one post discussing the subject, but I think it deserves more coverage. Also, Can you start anywhere in the shoe? Thanks, RES

Ellis: My thoughts are with you and your family, everything else in life will wait during these times.. RES/Ron

Hi Ellis, I have been anxiously waiting to hear how your weekend in PA went. Could someone who was there give us some results? I have also been waiting for a manual of System 40A. I figured you would be posting that after this last trip. I do not need to come to a group meeting. All I need is the manual. Your manuals are so well written that even I can understand them. res

punvit I notice that you are thanking someone for answering your question, "where is system 40 advanced". I do not see where you received an answer. I too would like to know where are the rules for system 40 advanced? Do we have a manual for system 40 advanced? res

Keith I don't recognize the system you are using for these 8 shoes. Can you help me? thanks, res

I have a question When playing system 40 are playing are we playing with a single SAP chart or Papa Joe double SAP chart?

Playing Papa Joe way and if you lose OTR bet and then play opposite and 4's is LC you lose to LC on the other side you now lost 1,2,3,4,5,6 7 bet WHAT YOU YOU DO THIS. EXAMPLE BBBPPPPB 3'S ARE lC ON B NOW PLAY OPPOSITE ON B AND 4'S LC ON P

Ellis I am still confused. I am a visual learner and if you or someone else could show example of 10 or 20 plays I would be able to understand it better.

Ellis Would you show me an example of this statement you made. Ellis Would you show me example of this statement. [COLOR="red"]We also have Sys 40 options on betting solutions: U1D2 M2 will not always be optimum. When first starting a table we can be far more conservative by splitting our progs. One prog on our normal Opposites betting but a second prog on our OTR betting. In other words go back to a 1 bet for our first OTR attempt but if that attempt fails, we go to 2 on our next OTR attempt. This is exactly how System 40 beat 40 shoes in a row. Also are we playing system 40 with PJ scorecard??

In the system 40 manuel why did they not use 42,43,44 using the culprit on the Progression Cash Management Page 12 &13?? Would some what show a sample shoe on how to play 4S.

Ellis This is getting confusing now. I thought you were coming up with the 4S Manuel and now we have RD also playing with SAP or no Sap. This is getting confusing. I think I getting to know how to play one way and now we are looking into another way. I hope everything interwine together and we can see the exact rules and also sample games. I have been playing around with Maverick and it seems a little easier to play and I thought you were going to come up with a easier way of playing. Your ideas are great but some of us are confused. I want to get one system like Maverick or your 4S but it seems to change each message. I hope you understand what I am saying plus I am a visual learner.

Would you put up the rules for system 40 there was suppose to be a manuel but cannot find it.

Keith When will you be posting some shoes so we can see if we are doing it correctly. I hope soon I am going to the casino this evening.

I did 6 shoes and the 1,2,3 lost really hurts you. +2,0,+10,+4,-10.-2 I did a 10 unit stop loss and stop win. When I hit +10 I would bet 1 unit and if I loss I would of stop so I kept going got to +13 then back down to +10 so I would of got out my next bet was a 3 and won that and the shoe ended up +33 On the shoe I loss -10 on the 10th hand if I kept going i would of loss 30 units.

Do you count skip bet as one of the 5? Do you start on the first hand or second hand? Is there a stop loss?

Keith If you lose the first bet on a side and win the next 4 bets do you still switch sides? When will you be putting up some sample shoes?

Ellis Sometimes you when you switched over you only went to 2 losses instead fo 3 losses? Here is some examples. On #3 Kach F2 Why on column 1 hand 18 you did not lose 3 in a row and you went to B3 shouldn't that be P3? Then again in column 2 hand 32 you went to B$ instead of P4 there was not 3 losses again.

PaPaJoe In your losing shoe wouldn't hand 14 be a black 4 on banker and a black 5 on player or were you playing 2hi. if so you made black 2 unit bet on 14 & 15