brad01
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When a structure changes there is always going to be existing members that are caught right at the changeover period and a lifetime fee to a monthly fee there is no solution where the members and site owners will both be happy
Unfortunate
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There are 2 types of people around gambling
Those that win and they just concentrate on playing and winning and those that claim they can and try to sell systems and make money that way
Its in all industries
Gambling, sharetrading, sportsbetting, investment, property investing
Sellers of false hope, scammers, frauds
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Have never done the maths of the game
Seems like close to 50/50
I don't know how I would implement a bet selection strategy so I would simply rely on a 221 MM approach
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There you go Bulldog
Let me know if you need further explanation
Please note this is how I play net bet if I was to play it as I do not use progressions
Original net bet runs progressions
I think of net bet as hovering counts and moving counts
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Sure
What you find with PB counts is they either hover over a number for a while or they start moving and break through limits with streaks
Depends on the nature of the shoe
If you can pick the upper and lower limits established that is perfect netplay
When the count breaks and starts moving that's streak
When I have time I will post it
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This type of shuffle seems to come out of many auto shufflers
In Australia (Crown Perth) the cards on main floor are prepped exactly the same - preshuffled and then into shufflers
Reshuffled through shuffler after every shoe.
Very similar from what I can see
It must work well against the majority of players and I'm sure the casinos are not banking on having too many 'Pando's' around!
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Just a comment that these shoes look pretty heavy in 2's and 3's and some shoes are heavy in 4's and some are not
I believe this is a strategy to produce an OTBL bias with occasions of streaks
Then some shoes have 4's in to stop the players who try to ride the streaks
Make some money on the shoes with the long streaks and lose it all and maybe more when they throw you one with 4's
They look very similar to what I see at my casino and a similar strategy
I know the answer to the question so not gonna answer it just comment on what I believe their strategy is to beat players
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Hi steve
I guess I would describe this as a gym membership
You can train at home sure
You probably wouldn't buy the same quality gym equipment as in a gym or clean and maintain it
It wouldn't be as nice an environment to train in
You wouldn't have other people there training to motivate you when you feel slack
Theres not other people to ask advice on etc or help you train or spot you on bench press etc
In the end you will not get the same results at home not only for the equipment but the mental and psychological aspects of it too.
You have to be motivated keen to train.
You can download the manuals and learn all the methods sure but to know how to apply them you just cant get from reading a manual sometimes
Further to that there is always new ideas come up.
New member TrainerGriff joined and is on 221 discussion and we have learned a different twist with the way he plays
I'm sure he also learned a few things too
This is my view on the matter
I have been into gambling for 10+ years but in 10 years I never advanced as much as what I have in the last 18 months since I was a member here.
221 I knew 10 years ago but could not make it work
Now I can
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Imagine what that guy had to go through to invent that
Have you ever watched 'The Prestige'
Its a little about Edison and Tesla
By the look of it Tesla got screwed
He was actually a genius who was shut down by everyone
The portrayed him as a crackpot and AC energy as dangerous when in fact DC at the same voltage is just as dangerous
I feel they wanted him gone so Edison could be promoted.
The world could have been advanced in energy hugely if they had let him keep going
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I imagine you would go to payment section and sign up
I understand $50 USD per month
Access to everything
As far as I understand no minimum join length
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When a count breaks through and starts moving you can follow It with 1 bet or more.....
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From a net bet perspective you are betting on chop
For a count to hover it cannot be streaky
If its streaky it means the count will move
Even if it returns to original value that's of no use because you don't know when its going to reverse and if its going to reverse to original value
If you look at that PB count for the sequence you mentioned:
(0) 1 0 1 0 -1 0 1 0 -1 -2 -3 -4 -5 -4 -5 -4 -5 -4 -3 -4
If I was to play this form a net bet perspective I would be happy at the start because the count is hovering
It has established itself between 1 and -1
If I picked it and chose to play it that way then I would start either the second or third time it hit zero
from there I would wait for it to move away form zero and bet it would move back
WWWL - count is at -2
when ever a count is hovering and then breaks through a limit I wait to see if its a streak movement or it just broke through by 1
In this case it moves out to -5 and then hovers over -4
the second or third time it returned to -4 I would start betting when ever it moved away from -4 it would return
WWW
I would always flat bet
You can tell a lot from just a PB count and sometimes you can win a whole shoe from just a PB count
But sometimes you need more.....
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Net betting is designed for counts which hover over zero - generally not streaking tables
A streaky table will pull every count upwards or downwards it will not cause the count to hover over 1 number
If you were to play net betting on a streaky table then you would set your OTR count as low as possible so you were following streaks as soon as possible.
With a streaking table you need to be playing either:
Player or Banker dominance
Repeat only
TBL
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Cool I am testing a new cancellation upgrade so you will be able to see my scoresheets as I post them
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its good when it goes like that
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Hi jsintl
I thought by some of the things you said that you were not a beginner
I thought you may have been a previous member
you understand TBL then you should understand OTBL which is opposite
I don't want to go into OTBL M2 here
Anyone who wants to learn it should study NOR
Its basic NOR stuff
Its just a variation of OTBL
Like I said it doesn't matter what method you use they will all perform the same over time
Its what you are comfortable with and believe wins well for you
Unless you have data from STATS FOR PROFIT to back up that say repeats are higher than expected in the casino you play at then you would play repeats only
50% rule is like a stop loss but this method has no stop loss
you must be prepared to put your 200 units on the line to complete your sequence
50% rule protects it form bad runs to get you thru
You do need some balls at the start and some stats of completed sequences to make you feel more confident until you see how well it works
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As long as you know how to win your unit size will increase when you double your bank. $1 units is good to start as its a $200 investment. Depend on how often you play you could finish 40 sequences in a few days or a few weeks. Then take your money back and play with profit.
Yes as you get better drawdown is minimal but you need 200 units on hand for a worst case.
anyone starting needs to complete at least 40 sequences without a loss. If you can do that you are ready.
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Hi jsintl
I understand your logic that TBL would be the most appropriate bet selection to play but I personally do not use it.
From my testing results actually show that in fact any bet selection over time will perform the same.
This all comes back to the 50/50 stats and even tbl will not win over time and all methods will have winning, losing, and break even streaks
However depending on where you play one method may perform better due to casino dependant bias
But anyway I use OTBL M2 all the time
The way we have fine tuned 221 is the following
50% rule to protect from losing streaks
aggressive cancellation for winning steaks
smoothing of sequences
I know 221 from the book 'the midas touch'
I read it 10 years ago but could not make it work
now I can
anyone who wants mechanical method to win 50/50 game I recommend to join
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Hello jsintl
Well I started using it on roulette as I play MDB+ / NOR on baccarat for units 10 x more
I mostly flat bet and to maintain a high hit rate it requires a lot of concentration and its a grind sometimes
When I play 221 I relax more as its mechanical and I bet more hands and its good to play on roulette as its a break form bacc
But a 2.7% house edge is higher than 0.5% on bacc so its smarter to play it on bacc
It works on any 50/50 game and I played it today on THE BIG WHEEL by just betting 1:1
My advice if you are interested is join up and I'll teach you how to play and then win 40 sequences on practise and then invest 200 units whether it be $1 units online or $5 units at real casino
Win 40 sequences for real and take your investment back
Then either double your bank and unit size or make a spare bank and keep playing the same
Its a sure money earner
I made 3 sequences today at real casino and abiut 5 online so far
Yes we have to do everything we can to ensure bets stay low but we also must use the BR to cancel the sequence as quick as possible as a long sequence is just as bad as high bets and sometimes worse
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Hi jsintl
We have covered a lot on 221 recently and many members having success
It is a cancellation system or reverse labouchere
It does call for high bets sometimes and therefore it does need to be managed properly
That's what we have done
My opinion is it works if managed properly and its good in that its mechanical so beginners if they follow the rules can play it without having to make subjective decisions.
2 things you must get past in order to play this is the 200 units required
Although you don't need anywhere near that most times it is required and you should not play with less
The second thing is the high bets called for - 10 - 20 times base level which is high but if you follow the rules you will not place bets this high often and you will have confidence that the method will cancel out before you burn your 200 units
200 units is your lifetime BR and also your session BR
This method does not have sessions like other methods it has a sequence or win goal and you play until you reach that and then do it again
The only reason you would play sessions is if time prevented you from reaching win goal and you needed more time later to complete it.
A member just reported 5 x 5 unit sequences completed on roulette in very short time playing purely mechanically
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We had this discussion a few weeks ago.
SAP stands for Self Adjusting Progression - I don't know why its called that exactly.
But my description is event tracking
You track events so it gives you a picture of what's coming up a lot (more than what it should) and whats not (less than what it should)
This can help you to bet that certain events will happen and certain events will not
Eg PP BB PPP BB
2 2 3 2
PP = 2 = 2iar
So if you saw that you may assume that 2's and some 3's will continue
OR
You may think because you saw many 2's that they wont keep coming
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Which is right ?
Both ?
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5D manual sent to you Kenny
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Ok sure
Do you play in Singapore?
How do you find it?
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